Powers & Abilities Do Black Blades Require Conqueror Haki?
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I mean you can also make the argument that we’ve seen the peak of CoC as well. I don’t think there’s a level above ACoC. At this point fights are just “have stronger ACoC” so black blade could also have a non haki related effect. Who knows let’s see. Maybe it can be something related to CoC only because Oda has no creativity anymore so he just makes everything “have stronger CoC”
Conqueror Specialists have characteristics that differ from the characteristics of Armament Specialists, and these characteristics embody a powerful soul and weapons skills.
Regarding their weapons, Conqueror Specialists are also known as traditional users of Color of the Supreme King Haki, and they often require Supreme Grade weapons to use the full of extent of it.
On the other hand, Armament Specialist weapons are described separately. Instead of using the highest quality of weapon, they use Armament Haki to cause their weapons to become unbreakable.
However, at high levels of mastery, an Armament Specialist can tap into a unique characteristic specific to them due to accessing Conqueror Haki. Their weapons can become Black Blades.
Achieving that would characterize the user of a Black Blade as the King of Blades.
I think this is an interesting part to consider. Of course, the exact process is still a bit vague, but if that's the framework then it'd be fine with me.
There are very few swordsmen who have the absolute resolve to stand above all other swordsmen, so there are plenty of people who can use Armament Haki, but few who can also access Conqueror Haki once they reach high mastery. Furthermore, there are even less Conquerors themselves who are committed to that specific dream making the characteristics of a Sword King/God unique and inaccessible to people who aren't like them.
Regarding their weapons, Conqueror Specialists are also known as traditional users of Color of the Supreme King Haki, and they often require Supreme Grade weapons to use the full of extent of it.
On the other hand, Armament Specialist weapons are described separately. Instead of using the highest quality of weapon, they use Armament Haki to cause their weapons to become unbreakable.
However, at high levels of mastery, an Armament Specialist can tap into a unique characteristic specific to them due to accessing Conqueror Haki. Their weapons can become Black Blades.
Achieving that would characterize the user of a Black Blade as the King of Blades.
I think this is an interesting part to consider. Of course, the exact process is still a bit vague, but if that's the framework then it'd be fine with me.
There are very few swordsmen who have the absolute resolve to stand above all other swordsmen, so there are plenty of people who can use Armament Haki, but few who can also access Conqueror Haki once they reach high mastery. Furthermore, there are even less Conquerors themselves who are committed to that specific dream making the characteristics of a Sword King/God unique and inaccessible to people who aren't like them.
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Pretty sure the one talking shit is you.
I don't participate in that culture here.
For everyone else here, I expect the same thing. If you can't talk without being rude, then you shouldn't be talking at all. If you disagree, simply say so. Personal attacks and getting heated aren't cool, and engaging in that can get you banned.
If you must engage in it, then I would recommend using a three chance rule. Offer people three chances to speak properly and if they don't then just stop talking to them. Don't hijack a thread just for a personal argument.
As for me, I'm sticking to a no-engagement policy where I don't bother trying to argue. I've failed several times to try to create open dialogue and I don't plan to waste my time with it any further.
An example of why it's not important for me to do this includes if I never engage in the fighting, but other people end up always engaging me with it, then it stops becoming my issue altogether and becomes a moderator problem. It's not in my hands and trying to do something about it myself is sort of like vigilantism.
It is not my fault that they're not keeping the peace.
I don't participate in that culture here.
For everyone else here, I expect the same thing. If you can't talk without being rude, then you shouldn't be talking at all. If you disagree, simply say so. Personal attacks and getting heated aren't cool, and engaging in that can get you banned.
If you must engage in it, then I would recommend using a three chance rule. Offer people three chances to speak properly and if they don't then just stop talking to them. Don't hijack a thread just for a personal argument.
As for me, I'm sticking to a no-engagement policy where I don't bother trying to argue. I've failed several times to try to create open dialogue and I don't plan to waste my time with it any further.
An example of why it's not important for me to do this includes if I never engage in the fighting, but other people end up always engaging me with it, then it stops becoming my issue altogether and becomes a moderator problem. It's not in my hands and trying to do something about it myself is sort of like vigilantism.
It is not my fault that they're not keeping the peace.
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Everything you said is headcannon.
We have never seen anywhere in the manga where a CoC specialist can do things CoA specialist can't or vice verse. In fact, nobody in the manga have has ever mentioned haki specialist.
These different haki specialist seem to be a term that Oda created that probably sounded really good in his head but doesn't work well on paper.
In one arc Zoro went from being a non-CoC user to a CoC coating user. He leaning CoC at a faster rate than Luffy.
We have never seen anywhere in the manga where a CoC specialist can do things CoA specialist can't or vice verse. In fact, nobody in the manga have has ever mentioned haki specialist.
These different haki specialist seem to be a term that Oda created that probably sounded really good in his head but doesn't work well on paper.
In one arc Zoro went from being a non-CoC user to a CoC coating user. He leaning CoC at a faster rate than Luffy.
I'm not sure just suggesting the author himself has no idea what he was doing is a good argument.
It could be, I'm just not sure lol
I'm also not sure if Zoro is learning the way Luffy did. Luffy was at least told things like it can't be trained and it depends on his growth and he shouldn't use it if he doesn't have a high level of control (mastery).
That high level of control with it is something I feel Conqueror Specialists have and comes easily to them, but that's just my personal thoughts.
As it is, now, I think Zoro lacks control of it. I would suppose this was evidenced by the fact he didn't even know he had it.
Conqueror Haki can be controlled, but not trained. As proficiency with Conqueror Haki advances, both power and control increases.
It could be, I'm just not sure lol
I'm also not sure if Zoro is learning the way Luffy did. Luffy was at least told things like it can't be trained and it depends on his growth and he shouldn't use it if he doesn't have a high level of control (mastery).
That high level of control with it is something I feel Conqueror Specialists have and comes easily to them, but that's just my personal thoughts.
As it is, now, I think Zoro lacks control of it. I would suppose this was evidenced by the fact he didn't even know he had it.
Conqueror Haki can be controlled, but not trained. As proficiency with Conqueror Haki advances, both power and control increases.
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It's not he doesn't know what he's doing, it just didn't work out as well as he wanted it to. We saw the same thing happen a lot in Wano.
Luffy has CoA internal destruction and CoO FS haki. You would think those haki skills would be limited haki specialist like Zoro and Sanji, but it's not. Neither one of them can use their haki in that way. Even if they obtain those haki skills in the future you can't say those are limited to a certain haki specialist since Luffy already has both and he's a CoC specialist.
Luffy has CoA internal destruction and CoO FS haki. You would think those haki skills would be limited haki specialist like Zoro and Sanji, but it's not. Neither one of them can use their haki in that way. Even if they obtain those haki skills in the future you can't say those are limited to a certain haki specialist since Luffy already has both and he's a CoC specialist.
Personally, I don't see an issue with that. I think those abilities can go further than Luffy can take them. That is, Luffy can't do something like make a Black Blade or have whatever the equivalent is in Observation Haki.
He can be good at Armament and Observation, just not great. That's for the Armament and Observation Specialists respectively, but nobody has to agree with it.
He can be good at Armament and Observation, just not great. That's for the Armament and Observation Specialists respectively, but nobody has to agree with it.
We don't know shit about it
But i'd reckon a black blade requires mainly the haki that has shown to temporarily blacken stuff. ie armament
And this also makes sense in verse. All the top tiers just put all their stats into acoc because that's straight up better than acoa. That's why people like Xebec, dodger, wb, shank etc don't have black blades.
And there's also the fact that oda said zoro's main haki specialty is coa.
all in all, while we don't know much about the kokuto process, all the hints and tidbits we've gotten so far point to it being a coa mastery.
But i'd reckon a black blade requires mainly the haki that has shown to temporarily blacken stuff. ie armament
And this also makes sense in verse. All the top tiers just put all their stats into acoc because that's straight up better than acoa. That's why people like Xebec, dodger, wb, shank etc don't have black blades.
And there's also the fact that oda said zoro's main haki specialty is coa.
all in all, while we don't know much about the kokuto process, all the hints and tidbits we've gotten so far point to it being a coa mastery.
The Black Blade is as rare as the Voice of All Things, that's true, but for different reasons.
The Black Blade comes from a King in a niche community. The King of Blades or Sword God.
The Voice of All Things is a World King ability. The World King or Supreme King.
Again, personal thoughts. Both abilities appear once in a blue moon so to speak.
The Black Blade comes from a King in a niche community. The King of Blades or Sword God.
The Voice of All Things is a World King ability. The World King or Supreme King.
Again, personal thoughts. Both abilities appear once in a blue moon so to speak.
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