Do you like being forced to take vaccine?

[Adam 🍎]

Yeah good for you.
Some doctors suck tho and dont care about your health.
Like the bitches I mentioned, that didnt want to treat me properly and wanted to cut off a healthy limb of mine.
So NO, I'm not going to trust a doctor blindly.

Another experience: some years ago the dentist said I have a cavity that supposedly needs treatment.
I didnt let them drill my teeth tho and waited.
Some years later I went to another dentist and according to them I got no cavities. There were traces of an old cavity tho that had visibly re-mineralised itself.

Had I trusted my previous dentist I'd be stuck with potentially cancerous material in my tooth.

You said you dont care about my health but this is 2nd time you talk about your personal health

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Yes it works my dear

with the vaccine you’re right you can still have the Covid BUT :
- you won’t any effects or barely : no cough or sneeze etc. So less likely to spread.
- your « amount » of disease inside your body and saliva and nose is a lot less. So less likely to spread it

etc

So the Vaccine did prevent the spreading.

But what we have nowadays is a two way effects : the persons vaccinated don’t respect the protection gestures thinking they are free now and are not careful anymore AND a lot of people are not vaccinated and catch the virus.

But more people vaccinated = less spreading : and it is proven

What Rayan said

Does not disprove what I was saying. It may decrease your chances of being a spreader but it still doesn't stop you entirely from spreading the virus. Vaccines don't stop the spreading which is why the governments are encouraging their people to follow covid protocols even if they're vaccinated. Also, asymptomatic people are more likely to travel in public than those with covid symptoms.

 

[Adam 🍎]

Yeah good for you.
Some doctors suck tho and dont care about your health.
Like the bitches I mentioned, that didnt want to treat me properly and wanted to cut off a healthy limb of mine.
So NO, I'm not going to trust a doctor blindly.

Another experience: some years ago the dentist said I have a cavity that supposedly needs treatment.
I didnt let them drill my teeth tho and waited.
Some years later I went to another dentist and according to them I got no cavities. There were traces of an old cavity tho that had visibly re-mineralised itself.

Had I trusted my previous dentist I'd be stuck with potentially cancerous material in my tooth.

Ah nvm i miss read

If you dont like the doctor just find a different one. 2nd opinion exists for a reason in the world

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Does not disprove what I was saying. It may decrease your chances of being a spreader but it still doesn't stop you entirely from spreading the virus. Vaccines don't stop the spreading which is why the governments are encouraging their people to follow covid protocols even if they're vaccinated. Also, asymptomatic people are more likely to travel in public than those with covid symptoms.

Ofc it doesbt spread 100%
Nothing is absolute

However vaccine does help in prevention

 

[RayanOO]

I don’t understand Dyna and Solis debate
I don’t think it’s linked with the Covid thing or vaccine

 

[Adam 🍎]

I never said this.
Learn to Read

I corrected myself, why so aggressive?

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Ofc it doesbt spread 100%
Nothing is absolute

However vaccine does help in prevention

Which is what I've been saying all along, "Vaccine doesn't offer 100% protection so follow the protocols even if you're vaccinated."

 

[RayanOO]

Which is what I've been saying all along, "Vaccine doesn't offer 100% protection so follow the protocols even if you're vaccinated."

Oh yeah I agree. We can end the protocols and gestures only if 80% of your population is vaccinated.

 

[Adam 🍎]

Which is what I've been saying all along, "Vaccine doesn't offer 100% protection so follow the protocols even if you're vaccinated."

Well yes. Did anyone say otherwise?
I didnt eat yet and my brain is slow

 

[RayanOO]

Its about trusting doctors just because they say a treatment is safe.
He had generally good experiences with doctors. I had some pretty bad ones.
Therefore our opinions differ on this matter.

It is two différents things :

You can obviously have a bad experience with one particular doctor and even have a bad one or even a psycho one. That’s why for real and dangerous things having a second advice or having a trusted doctor is important

But when the huge majority of the big meds brain of your country are saying the same things, when all the most qualified docs and all the real studies made by the best labs are saying that the vaccine have a lot more good effects than bad than listenting to them is normal.

 

[anon]

Vaccine might protect you from the ill effects of the virus and also might protect you against the spreading

that's better.

And the more the spreading the more the virus will mutate and counter the vaccine. So this is a race against the Covid to exterminate it. That why EVERYONE needs to get vaccinated to stop that shit.

about half of the united states is vaccinated and they still had like 130k cases yesterday. Israel has 60% of its population vaccinated it still gets thousands of daily cases. UAE has 86 percent of its population vaccinated and they still get thousands of daily cases. This shit ain't going anywhere until more effective vaccines come out.

If you don’t take it it can also bother the vaccinated people because you will spread the virus and make it transform and this new one can maybe injure the vaccinated people.

vaccinated folks can also spread the virus but apparently, only the unvaccinated are responsible for the mutations

 

[Adam 🍎]

It is two différents things :

You can obviously have a bad experience with one particular doctor and even have a bad one or even a psycho one. That’s why for real and dangerous things having a second advice or having a trusted doctor is important

But when the huge majority of the big meds brain of your country are saying the same things, when all the most qualified docs and all the real studies made by the best labs are saying that the vaccine have a lot more good effects than bad than listenting to them is normal.

Funny enough a saying here goes

A barber, a bartender and a doctor is the best company one needs

 

[RayanOO]

that's better.

about half of the united states is vaccinated and they still had like 130k cases yesterday. Israel has 60% of its population vaccinated it still gets thousand of daily cases. UAE has 86 percent of its population vaccinated and they still get thousand of daily cases. This shit ain't going anywhere until more effective vaccines come out.


vaccinated folks can also spread the virus but apparently, only the unvaccinated are responsible for the mutations

You make too many shortcuts in the reasoning :

- even with the vaccine you can catch the virus and spread it
- but with the vaccine you won’t catch it as easy and won’t spread it as easy
- it’s is way easier to catch the virus and spread it if you are not vaccinated
- so obviously the vaccine is a good thing to prevent the spreading and if everyone is vaccinated the virus will likely die short or mid term

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that's better.

Obviously we are all differents but we have labs results and tests already : the vaccine DID protects you at 80/90% for having real bad effects from the COVID, and did prevent you from catching it a lot less.

This is not a magic product, nothing is ever perfect but it WORKS

 

[vikas]

Isn't it just company policy then?

 

[Fuckthis3]

I swear it amazing how some or you dudes not doctors and scientists yet fuck a vaccine

 

[Gol D. Roger]

There are lots of diseases that don't have a 100% cure, that doesn't mean we shouldn't take meds to subdue the effects until a perfect medicine is invented. Personally, that's a bad reason to not take vaccines. But it's ultimately your body, your choice.

 

[Zenos7]

Another issue is that vaxxed people believe they are 100% safe

Any data on this? No vaxxed individual i know thinks this,like,at all.

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whats the point of the vaxx than if it doesnt work? the biggest spreaders are vaxxed now

The vax does work, its just not 100%, and no one expected or claimed it to be, well except for joe biden

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Imagine thinking the vaccine doesn’t have any effect on the Covid and it’s spreading……

i dont know where some people get the informations.

From conspiracy nutjobs

 

[anon]

You make too many shortcuts in the reasoning :

- even with the vaccine you can catch the virus and spread it
- but with the vaccine you won’t catch it as easy and won’t spread it as easy
- it’s is way easier to catch the virus and spread it if you are not vaccinated
- so obviously the vaccine is a good thing to prevent the spreading and if everyone is vaccinated the virus will likely die short or mid term

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Obviously we are all differents but we have labs results and tests already : the vaccine DID protects you at 80/90% for having real bad effects from the COVID, and did prevent you from catching it a lot less.

This is not a magic product, nothing is ever perfect but it WORKS

All I meant to say was that unvaccinated folks aren't responsible for the Covid deaths. I think that it's a weird coping mechanism that some people have developed. Anyways, I am tired of these vaccine debates, I am getting my shots tomorrow and let's just agree to disagree about the rest ✌️

 

[Zenos7]

Waiting for everyone to be vaccinated we still need to be careful.

The day we are all vaccinated we can let it go but before 80/90% people are vaccinated we still need to do PCR/or test if you want to party or wear a mask in crowded places.

I doubt there will ever be 90% people vaccinated

 

[RayanOO]

unvaccinated folks aren't responsible for the Covid deaths

for a part they are

The more people vaccinated = less death

 

[RayanOO]

Not when money plays a role.
It's always better to question what is presented to you

Other motives are and will always be present. But it is also the interest of those ones to heal us and then gain money. Also if you begin to think like that you will never trust any official source ever and then who else ? Who is more trusted than 90% of the most qualified docs ?

I préfèr 100000 times to trust the ones who have 10 years diplomas and decades of results and practice over some randos.