Do you like being forced to take vaccine?

I did not see it, but I will look at you from positive side now. Its easier to find compromises when we arent insulting one onother
Personally I dont care what people write about me. All I ask Please dont make up stuff that I dont say

I dont think there will be a compromise in the middle, but I can always keep conversations more civil, there will always be mutual understandings regardless of how much one disagrees with another.
 
I agree, no more childish accusations or stupid threats or ill will towards people.

We're at a good start, my words were too far and any personal insult towards you and other people I assumed with antivax that is my bad and I was in the wrong. That's on me. Lets start our rational conversation

What in particular makes you precautious over covid vaccine? What would you like to see from covid vaccine that will make you trust taking it?

Gov't fully forcing people to take it and throwing them in jail for it is wrong. We are not the Phillipines, but Employers mandating their workers to lookout for the safety of the rest of their workers I do not see any issue with. There will be a lawsuit that goes to the supreme court very quickly in regards to this.
What makes me precautions is simply the short time it was established and less rehearsed. I’m always vaccinated against tetanus, because I trust the science, that the vaccine was longly rehearsed and established. And yes And there is always some side-effect for every vaccine (it‘s normal, as vaccines are not natural), but I felt safe when I took it.

My brother and my Mother are vaccinated against Covid and they were also against it, but it annoyed them. They were not forced by their employer, but rather annoyed of getting tested too many times.

So I‘ll take cautions on how they are going to handle it. 2/3 years I may take it aswell, even if a vaccine should be rehearsed for atleast 5 years, but the world is changing so I may change with aswell..

I’m an engineer-student and most off the time my private life was already suffering with covid lockdowns and Online studying. It took big hit on my relationship with my girlfriend and my friends, even before Covid hit the world^.^
 
What makes me precautions is simply the short time it was established and less rehearsed. I’m always vaccinated against tetanus, because I trust the science, that the vaccine was longly rehearsed and established. And yes And there is always some side-effect for every vaccine (it‘s normal, as vaccines are not natural), but I felt safe when I took it.

My brother and my Mother are vaccinated against Covid and they were also against it, but it annoyed them. They were not forced by their employer, but rather annoyed of getting tested too many times.

So I‘ll take cautions on how they are going to handle it. 2/3 years I may take it aswell, even if a vaccine should be rehearsed for atleast 5 years, but the world is changing so I may change with aswell..

I’m an engineer-student and most off the time my private life was already suffering with covid lockdowns and Online studying. It took big hit on my relationship with my girlfriend and my friends, even before Covid hit the world^.^
My counter is the reason FDA did the EUA is because how rapid it was. The main issue was how bad our response was to it initially. As well as this is heavily being monitored and the damage it has done last year in regards to not only deaths but lockdowns, etc.

My counter as well for long term outcome is: There is not a historical precedent for long term effects to develop years down the line, but wouldnt 29 proteins from a virus replicating unpredictably be way more likely to cause these than from a vaccine given in a miniscule controlled dose.

If there isnt a vaccine now though, what would the proposed solution have been? Can't do nothing and sit idly by though or have 2 year trials. That's why FDA did the rush authorizations with the help of project warp speed.

Im sorry that covid did take a hit on your life and your relationships with your friends and loved one.
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Anyone here live in Florida

Covid has gone out of control there 22K cases today
 
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And at this stage it doesn't even take an expert to realize the intrinsic risks of such technology. Because not much research has been done on the subject matter.

As a technophile myself I'm well aware. From heating to cognitive problems, possibly more serious issues caused by the electromagnetic fields frequencies.
Only 2 types of people are aware of the risks.
The really dumb and the really smart.
it seems like midwits are always the ones that just dont care and accept everything at face value.
Same with the vaccine.
I posted the research earlier,
Those with masters and phds are more hesitant to take it for instance.
 
Only 2 types of people are aware of the risks.
The really dumb and the really smart.
it seems like midwits are always the ones that just dont care and accept everything at face value.
Same with the vaccine.
I posted the research earlier,
Those with masters and phds are more hesitant to take it for instance.
What risks? Cooking our brains?

5G frequency levels are not exactly new. Remote controls and lightbulbs have higher frequency levels. And they are all not ionizing radiation.
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My counter is the reason FDA did the EUA is because how rapid it was. The main issue was how bad our response was to it initially. As well as this is heavily being monitored and the damage it has done last year in regards to not only deaths but lockdowns, etc.

My counter as well for long term outcome is: There is not a historical precedent for long term effects to develop years down the line, but wouldnt 29 proteins from a virus replicating unpredictably be way more likely to cause these than from a vaccine given in a miniscule controlled dose.

If there isnt a vaccine now though, what would the proposed solution have been? Can't do nothing and sit idly by though or have 2 year trials. That's why FDA did the rush authorizations with the help of project warp speed.

Im sorry that covid did take a hit on your life and your relationships with your friends and loved one.
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Anyone here live in Florida

Covid has gone out of control there 22K cases today
To expand on this: it was very urgent to get a vaccine, and since covid is so contagious, they had alot of individuals they could use as test subjects. Usually separate processes were done simultaneously, again because of the urgency.

And yeah, vast majority of side effects from vaccines occur up to 3 months after injection lol
 
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Only 2 types of people are aware of the risks.
The really dumb and the really smart.
it seems like midwits are always the ones that just dont care and accept everything at face value.
Same with the vaccine.
I posted the research earlier,
Those with masters and phds are more hesitant to take it for instance.
Yes. Many of them are also driven by skepticism about the negativities and many of them are driven by "cool a new tech let's buy it immediately" with the latter constituting the highter range of people. Of course at least what I intended to say is that even average people are in part capable to smell the danger luckily. Is that enough for them to be cautious? If we are talking about a somewhat little portion of population yes.
 
What risks? Cooking our brains?
Yes. Many of them are also driven by skepticism about the negativities and many of them are driven by "cool a new tech let's buy it immediately" with the latter constituting the highter range of people. Of course at least what I intended to say is that even average people are in part capable to smell the danger luckily. Is that enough for them to be cautious? If we are talking about a somewhat little portion of population yes.
Midwits are the majority and they are clueless.
Like I said,
Only the really dumb and only the really smart will be skeptic.
The midwit will make fun of you by using some of the reasoning of the "dumb" people.

That 5g is cooking our brains for instance.
This dude I quoted has no idea about how the technology works.
He just thinks "faster internet is good".

http://www.5gappeal.eu/about/
 
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To expand on this: it was very urgent to get a vaccine, and since covid is so contagious, they had alot of individuals they could use as test subjects. Usually separate processes were done simultaneously, again because of the urgency.
Yeah all this makes sense. Ofc They wouldn't have waited for years until the vaccine is available. Doesn't take away from the potential risks which make it imperative that the vaccine stays voluntarily.

And yeah, vast majority of side effects from vaccines occur up to 3 months after injection lol
Up to 3months?
Well, an elderly person in my family recently experienced severe infarctions and cerebral bleeding and is now in a comatose state and most likely dying.

Apparently they got the vaccine several months ago.
Now, this person had been sufferig from pre existing cardiac issues for years.
But isn't it a weird coincidence that this is happening now of all times?
 

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
Midwits are the majority and they are clueless.
Like I said,
Only the really dumb and only the really smart will be skeptic.
The midwit will make fun of you by using some of the reasoning of the "dumb" people.

That 5g is cooking our brains for instance.
This dude I quoted has no idea about how the technology works.
He just thinks "faster internet is good".

http://www.5gappeal.eu/about/
The main point is : why do you think you know better than everyone else ? Why do you think the people you quote or the news you're sharing know better than 90% of the best docs and labs in the world ?

Why do you trust them and not the guys who made years and years of meds studies ?

Do you think all main medias and docs are lying to us ?

What are your criteria to trust someone or not ?
 
The main point is : why do you think you know better than everyone else ? Why do you think the people you quote or the news you're sharing know better than 90% of the best docs and labs in the world ?

Why do you trust them and not the guys who made years and years of meds studies ?
Typical,
You think the science is settled for some reason.
The point of science is that we keep asking questions.
There is always many sides.
The media, gov and tech are in bed to push only one narrative.
And that is the one that the majority of the average people will accept.

In regards to this vaccine,
If you had it then you probably wont have it again so no point in getting the vaccine if you have beem sick before.
 
Midwits are the majority and they are clueless.
Like I said,
Only the really dumb and only the really smart will be skeptic.
The midwit will make fun of you by using some of the reasoning of the "dumb" people.

That 5g is cooking our brains for instance.
This dude I quoted has no idea about how the technology works.
He just thinks "faster internet is good".

http://www.5gappeal.eu/about/
Everything i said in my previous post was true though. 5g is not some special radiation that we werent exposed to before. And we are exposed to higher frequencies since decades. Lmao
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Midwits are the majority and they are clueless.
Like I said,
Only the really dumb and only the really smart will be skeptic.
The midwit will make fun of you by using some of the reasoning of the "dumb" people.

That 5g is cooking our brains for instance.
This dude I quoted has no idea about how the technology works.
He just thinks "faster internet is good".

http://www.5gappeal.eu/about/
Also you are just taking that point in regards to education level with the vaccines and slapping it onto this topic, for no good reason. Almost like there is no actual critical thinking going on. Not to mention that what you posted was a meme screenshot without context/nuance.
 
Yeah all this makes sense. Ofc They wouldn't have waited for years until the vaccine is available. Doesn't take away from the potential risks which make it imperative that the vaccine stays voluntarily.


Up to 3months?
Well, an elderly person in my family recently experienced severe infarctions and cerebral bleeding and is now in a comatose state and most likely dying.

Apparently they got the vaccine several months ago.
Now, this person had been sufferig from pre existing cardiac issues for years.
But isn't it a weird coincidence that this is happening now of all times?
It might be a coincidence, it might not. Report that shit as adverse reaction so it can be researched. Hoping for your family member to get better
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Typical,
You think the science is settled for some reason.
The point of science is that we keep asking questions.
There is always many sides.
The media, gov and tech are in bed to push only one narrative.
And that is the one that the majority of the average people will accept.

In regards to this vaccine,
If you had it then you probably wont have it again so no point in getting the vaccine if you have beem sick before.
Yes thats the point of science, continuous improvement. Usually by other scientists and not conspiracy nutjobs on youtube though
 
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RayanOO

Lazy is the way
You think the science is settled for some reason.
Yeah and we are still learning from the disease day by day

The point of science is that we keep asking questions.
Yeah but people with many many years of medical studies are asking themslves questions and are testing hypothesis


And you can answer that those guys are corrupted etc ? so 90% of the best docs in the world are corrupted and are saying shit to decieve us ?

There is always many sides.
The media, gov and tech are in bed to push only one narrative.
Because you think the guys you are trusting have no agenda ? no narrative ? no ideology ? no big plans etc ?

The unknow guys without any background or the few against the very wide majority are more worthy of your trust ? Why ?

And that is the one that the majority of the average people will accept.
So you're not the average people right ? you're the smarter type ? the enlightened type ? nobody can trick you right ? you're obviously smarter than that.

There is no invincible people in this world, and like us the sheeps and average guys, you can be tricked and decieved by people willing to manipulate you.

I trust the people I trust because of their diplomas, their background, their numbers, their tests, their legitimacy, the proofs they give, proofs crossed by other good scientists etc.

When all the lead doctors of the biggest hospitals, the lead researchers are almost all saying the same things with proof it is wayy smarter to believe them.

If it was 60% of them saying white and the other 40% saying black we could have had a debate but when 90% of them are all saying the vaccine is a good thing and necessary then the smarter move is to believe them, even if in the end they ended up wrong.

The guys you are following don't have that kind of back up
 
What risks? Cooking our brains?

5G frequency levels are not exactly new. Remote controls and lightbulbs have higher frequency levels. And they are all not ionizing radiation.
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To expand on this: it was very urgent to get a vaccine, and since covid is so contagious, they had alot of individuals they could use as test subjects. Usually separate processes were done simultaneously, again because of the urgency.

And yeah, vast majority of side effects from vaccines occur up to 3 months after injection lol
With these new variants, it's makes it even more urgent to keep further developing a booster and get vaccine.

Can't do nothing and sit idly by and watch the increase in death toll and hospitalization rate
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Guys stop, no one else is as much of an american as t-pein is therefore he does whatever he wants
All the questions and no solutions. Can't be more MERCAN that that
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https://www.healthline.com/health-n...ted-people#The-vaccines-and-the-Delta-variant
 
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With these new variants, it's makes it even more urgent to keep further developing a booster and get vaccine.

Can't do nothing and sit idly by and watch the increase in death toll and hospitalization rate
Not necessarily, if new variants keep getting more immune to the vaccine the vaccine will eventually be fairly useless.
 
Not necessarily, if new variants keep getting more immune to the vaccine the vaccine will eventually be fairly useless.
So then what is the alternative. Do nothing and let these new variants spread.

Even with Delta Variant, the break through cases is a lot lower than those unvaccinated. Add on top of that a lot smaller chance of getting severe cases
 
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