Character Discussion Do you still believe in ZKK?

[zzShinichi]

Anyways if ZKK were to happen I think there's 2 possibilities
- A beaten-up-by-Luffy Kaidou will rise up and try to attack Luffy and others, and Zoro will yeet that head off with Flying Dragon Blaze. But this will no doubt raise the question of, who's actually the man who defeated Kaidou. Imo it's always Luffy but there will be some who will say it's Zoro.

- A beaten-up-by-Luffy Kaidou will rise up, but this time, Kaidou will accept his defeat and announce to the world that this man (Luffy) has defeated him. He will then ask a samurai to grant him the death that he always wishes for (Seppuku). Many will rise to the challenge, but will ultimately be unable to do so. And comes Zoro. *slash*.
The first option will be more likely tho. This is in case ZKK happens, so don't quote me if "ZKK won't happen". It's a cool scenario whether it will happen or not.
Also, I will drop ZKK immediately if ZOro uses "Flying Dragon Blaze" as his finisher in the King fight

 

[Adam-san]

Anyways if ZKK were to happen I think there's 2 possibilities
- A beaten-up-by-Luffy Kaidou will rise up and try to attack Luffy and others, and Zoro will yeet that head off with Flying Dragon Blaze. But this will no doubt raise the question of, who's actually the man who defeated Kaidou. Imo it's always Luffy but there will be some who will say it's Zoro.

- A beaten-up-by-Luffy Kaidou will rise up, but this time, Kaidou will accept his defeat and announce to the world that this man (Luffy) has defeated him. He will then ask a samurai to grant him the death that he always wishes for (Seppuku). Many will rise to the challenge, but will ultimately be unable to do so. And comes Zoro. *slash*.
The first option will be more likely tho. This is in case ZKK happens, so don't quote me if "ZKK won't happen". It's a cool scenario whether it will happen or not.
Also, I will drop ZKK immediately if ZOro uses "Flying Dragon Blaze" as his finisher in the King fight

i like the second scenario i would accept that one 100%. The thing is zoro is on a timer and it is still unknown how much time he has

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Anyways if ZKK were to happen I think there's 2 possibilities
- A beaten-up-by-Luffy Kaidou will rise up and try to attack Luffy and others, and Zoro will yeet that head off with Flying Dragon Blaze. But this will no doubt raise the question of, who's actually the man who defeated Kaidou. Imo it's always Luffy but there will be some who will say it's Zoro.

- A beaten-up-by-Luffy Kaidou will rise up, but this time, Kaidou will accept his defeat and announce to the world that this man (Luffy) has defeated him. He will then ask a samurai to grant him the death that he always wishes for (Seppuku). Many will rise to the challenge, but will ultimately be unable to do so. And comes Zoro. *slash*.
The first option will be more likely tho. This is in case ZKK happens, so don't quote me if "ZKK won't happen". It's a cool scenario whether it will happen or not.
Also, I will drop ZKK immediately if ZOro uses "Flying Dragon Blaze" as his finisher in the King fight

I can honestly see Kaido dying pathetically.....

Kaido's comment in 1015 to Kinemon about few people being able to accept their defeat is super interesting to me.

I except Zoro to use a new attack to beat King.


Don't worry, I think Zoro will beat King with a new attack.

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

Wtf is a candie tho? I really dont know bruh

It's a way to insult Sanji fans because deep down they are slighly transphobic and/or homophobic and they believe that the "candy-boy" Ivankov called him with is somehow a matter of mockery (alongside his relationship with the okama). Only some of them, of course, the rest just use it because they behave like sheeps following a flock.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Reminds me but I don't think any other villian has been emphasized by others that "this man must be killed or victories won't be ours"

Vivi multiple times mentioned the desire to kill Crocodile. Honestly that's how I see Kaido as just new world Crocodile:

Luffy lost multiple times
Long time friend sailed on ship leading to him
Luffy had to come up with a unique way of fighting to win
Crocodile got so close to his dream but it was taken away

I think its possible Kaido will be defeated and beg for death only for Luffy to deny him.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Vivi multiple times mentioned the desire to kill Crocodile. Honestly that's how I see Kaido as just new world Crocodile:

Luffy lost multiple times
Long time friend sailed on ship leading to him
Luffy had to come up with a unique way of fighting to win
Crocodile got so close to his dream but it was taken away

I think its possible Kaido will be defeated and beg for death only for Luffy to deny him.

That's a fair point, but Crocodile wasn't introduced in a chapter titled "Suicide".

 

[zzShinichi]

i like the second scenario i would accept that one 100%. The thing is zoro is on a timer and it is still unknown how much time he has

Yeah I think we will see if the timer is for the King's fight. I think Chopper or that Goat's doctor will mention along the line of: Yo you are on a timer Zoro, better drop this flying chicken quick if Oda intends on that antidote is for King only. But if no one mentinos the timer then Oda purposely keeps it a secret on how long the antidote lasts. Also i'm glad we can agree with something lon.

I can honestly see Kaido dying pathetically.....

Kaido's comment in 1015 to Kinemon about few people being able to accept their defeat is super interesting to me.

I except Zoro to use a new attack to beat King.


Don't worry, I think Zoro will beat King with a new attack.

Yeah honestly what Kaidou said to Kinemon is what makes me think of the 2nd option.
Also the fact that Kaidou's first introduction chapter is named "Suicide"
And the fact that Wano's first chapter is named "Seppuku"
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Vivi multiple times mentioned the desire to kill Crocodile. Honestly that's how I see Kaido as just new world Crocodile:

Luffy lost multiple times
Long time friend sailed on ship leading to him
Luffy had to come up with a unique way of fighting to win
Crocodile got so close to his dream but it was taken away

I think its possible Kaido will be defeated and beg for death only for Luffy to deny him.

Yeah many wanted to kill Croco, many wanted to kill Enel, just like Law wanted to kill Doffy. But that's just their personal grudge, their bloodlust of wanting to revenge. No one has been emphasized as "his head must be severed or else we won't win". Heck even Law stopped Luffy of all people from killing Doffy, although he himself wanted to do so.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Yeah honestly what Kaidou said to Kinemon is what makes me think of the 2nd option.
Also the fact that Kaidou's first introduction chapter is named "Suicide"
And the fact that Wano's first chapter is named "Seppuku"

I don't think Kaido would accept his death honorably.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

That's a fair point, but Crocodile wasn't introduced in a chapter titled "Suicide".

I get that, again I’m not against Kaido dying I just don’t see Oda phrasing it in a positive light.

Oda hasn’t killed a major villain. And all the deaths in one piece have all been major sacrifices or done by an enemy to show their brutality. So I just don’t see Oda having a straw hat killing Kaido because Kaido wouldn’t be giving his life to protect something like Whitebeard or Oden or Ace, it would be just downright murder.

 

[Roronoa-sama]

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

I get that, again I’m not against Kaido dying I just don’t see Oda phrasing it in a positive light.

Oda hasn’t killed a major villain. And all the deaths in one piece have all been major sacrifices or done by an enemy to show their brutality. So I just don’t see Oda having a straw hat killing Kaido because Kaido wouldn’t be giving his life to protect something like Whitebeard or Oden or Ace, it would be just downright murder.

I understand what you're saying. If it means anything, Zoro decapitating a dragon would be a lot less brutal than Zoro decapitating a normal human.

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

I don't think Kaido would accept his death honorably.

For an interesting note, part of carps symbolism in Japan relates to accepting death with honor, as it's said that they stay still as they are caught and the knife approaches them; which is why they were a common motif among samurai, who were expected to do the same thing.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

For an interesting note, part of carps symbolism in Japan relates to accepting death with honor, as it's said that they stay still as they are caught and the knife approaches them; which is why they were a common motif among samurai, who were expected to do the same thing.

Holy shit that's huge! :cheers: Thank you for sharing that information.

 

[Adam-san]

It's a way to insult Sanji fans because deep down they are slighly transphobic and/or homophobic and they believe that the "candy-boy" Ivankov called him with is somehow a matter of mockery (alongside his relationship with the okama). Only some of them, of course, the rest just use it because they behave like sheeps following a flock.

Ohh thanks for letting me know! And i am a luffy fan btw
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Yeah I think we will see if the timer is for the King's fight. I think Chopper or that Goat's doctor will mention along the line of: Yo you are on a timer Zoro, better drop this flying chicken quick if Oda intends on that antidote is for King only. But if no one mentinos the timer then Oda purposely keeps it a secret on how long the antidote lasts. Also i'm glad we can agree with something lon.


Yeah many wanted to kill Croco, many wanted to kill Enel, just like Law wanted to kill Doffy. But that's just their personal grudge, their bloodlust of wanting to revenge. No one has been emphasized as "his head must be severed or else we won't win". Heck even Law stopped Luffy of all people from killing Doffy, although he himself wanted to do so.

Bro i am not against the idea of zoro killing kaido but many make it seem he will fight a great battle with him. As a luffy fan i find that too much for zoro. If kaido was down or accepted defeat then i wouldnt mind zoro killing kaido with 1 attack.

 

[Blother Fertitta]

I’m excited. Everything is legit going along with the script. The ONLY thing unaccounted for what the entire Rooftop sequence from earlier on.

From the beginning of this arc we anticipated the King fight to lead into the Kaido death by Zoro.

Fortunately, Oda provided more action on top of this. Like I said about six times this week (I should stop saying it tbh), Wano arc in its minute details relative to Zoro is following the Story of Monster and Ryuma. In fact, Oda even names dropped and emphasized Shusui and Ryuma within this very arc.

Zoro Killing Kaido theory is ramping up. It’s going to happen 2022. You guys should by now know about ODA’s infatuation with numerology. Like Asura happening 500 chapters after it was last used, or Jinbei entering Wano 100 chapters after we last saw him.

2020 Began with Gol D. Roger in Raftel and his iconic laugh and the death of the Old Guard (Oden flashback ending and his death, Roger execution). This Year started with Chapter 1000 with the New Generation facing the strongest of the Current Guard. It’s only right for the beginning of 2022 to begin with the Death of the Current Guard Kaido of Wano Country, and Big Moms defeat.

And 2022 being the Year of the Tiger fits with Zoro’s theme and presence during Wano. This current King fight is there for a reason. So that the subsequent death of Kaido takes place across the Flower Capital, which we haven’t gotten to yet. Once we get there will the Deed occur. Now in order to stall for that time, Zoro needs to be Occupied since he is Judge, Jury, and Executioner of the Wano Country.

Just like how Joyboy bearing the weight and burden of 800 years will free the world. The Second Ryuma Will free Wano country from the tyrannical Dragon that rules once again after 400 years of slumber.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I understand what you're saying. If it means anything, Zoro decapitating a dragon would be a lot less brutal than Zoro decapitating a normal human.

I get that but we saw that in punk hazard and the knowledge that this isn’t a mindless beast idk it would be different and even in Naruto and bleach no one was really killed by a main character they all just killed themselves. It’s just not something done often I guess.

 

[The White Crane]

I’m excited. Everything is legit going along with the script. The ONLY thing unaccounted for what the entire Rooftop sequence from earlier on.

From the beginning of this arc we anticipated the King fight to lead into the Kaido death by Zoro.

Fortunately, Oda provided more action on top of this. Like I said about six times this week (I should stop saying it tbh), Wano arc in its minute details relative to Zoro is following the Story of Monster and Ryuma. In fact, Oda even names dropped and emphasized Shusui and Ryuma within this very arc.

Zoro Killing Kaido theory is ramping up. It’s going to happen 2022. You guys should by now know about ODA’s infatuation with numerology. Like Asura happening 500 chapters after it was last used, or Jinbei entering Wano 100 chapters after we last saw him.

2020 Began with Gol D. Roger in Raftel and his iconic laugh and the death of the Old Guard (Oden flashback ending and his death, Roger execution). This Year started with Chapter 1000 with the New Generation facing the strongest of the Current Guard. It’s only right for the beginning of 2022 to begin with the Death of the Current Guard Kaido of Wano Country, and Big Moms defeat.

And 2022 being the Year of the Tiger fits with Zoro’s theme and presence during Wano. This current King fight is there for a reason. So that the subsequent death of Kaido takes place across the Flower Capital, which we haven’t gotten to yet. Once we get there will the Deed occur. Now in order to stall for that time, Zoro needs to be Occupied since he is Judge, Jury, and Executioner of the Wano Country.

Just like how Joyboy bearing the weight and burden of 800 years will free the world. The Second Ryuma Will free Wano country from the tyrannical Dragon that rules once again after 400 years of slumber.

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I get that but we saw that in punk hazard and the knowledge that this isn’t a mindless beast idk it would be different and even in Naruto and bleach no one was really killed by a main character they all just killed themselves. It’s just not something done often I guess.

Kakashi killed off Kakuzu if I recall correctly.

 

[Blother Fertitta]

I think I’m gonna turn my comment into a longer post.

 

[zzShinichi]

I mean yeah the timeline makes sense. Kaidou will most likely be defeated at early 2022, which is a Tiger year. Assuming Zoro is still a tiger and not Luffy's Gear 5, then I doubt Oda would miss a chance of a final confrontation between Zoro and Kaidou. It's not neccessarily a 1v1 fight tho.

 

[Owari Da]

do i believe ZKK will happen? absolutely yes.