Character Discussion Do you think Haki tainted Zoro's thematic power?

langitbarat

langitbarat

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There are quite a few of us Zoro fans who think that Haki (as in advanced conqueror) is "taking too much" of Zoro, and we're a bit dissatisfied with it.

First of all, we know that AdCoC is a good thing. It's a testament and proof of Zoro's talent, hardwork, and dreams. Him having it is guaranteed from the start.

Secondly, we know that to reach the top, you need everything to work on your favor. Being a genius swordsman isn't enough, you need to have many other factors such as supportive companion, top tier teacher, good blades, etc. Heck, Zoro is practically the 5th VoAT user. These stuff combined will make him to be the WSS.

However...

There is something off in having Zoro making extensive use of CoCting/advanced CoC. To some of us, it's like he's not a "pure" or genuine swordsman again.

This feeling originates from how CoCting is such a huge buff to one's combat power. It's like, two tier above. You can't help but think that a huge chunk of Zoro's attack power comes from this, instead of swordsmanship. I hope some of you understand what I meant.

- But, Haki is part of one's power!
For sure. But some of us wants Oda to give Zoro a special or unique abilities, preferably related to swordsmanship. CoCting feels like an attribute for haki main people.

- What do you want?
Like, make the CoCting powers less obvious (eg. smaller black lightning trail), and give Zoro his iconic animals silhouette/spirit manifestation. That would be immensely cooler.

- So, exclude/remove CoCting?
No no no. What I want is something like, a mix between CoCting and Zoro's unique skill, like the animal spirits stuff.

Again, CoCting is proof of Zoro's abilities. However, if Oda only shows it and disregard the swordsmanship or other Zoro's "flavor", he would seems generic.

All in all, I don't worry too much. Zoro is Oda's favorite, and he is proven to be able to balance Haki and Devil Fruit with Luffy, or physical and elemental damage with Sanji. I hope Oda don't forget that at the very core, Zoro is a swordsman and not "Hakiman" .
 
cleanmrpostman

cleanmrpostman

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Nothing has changed for Zoro since the start. His attacks have always, at the end of the day, been attacks much like anyone else's. Giving him some out-there powerset that no one else has doesn't make sense to me. Manifesting animal spirits could be cool I guess but obviously runs the risk of moving away from swordsmanship completely. Zoro attacks by cutting his opponents, ACoC doesn't take anything from that.

I'm still secretly hoping for a Zanpakuto-like release ability for a black blade when wielded by the one who made it black, depending on the blade's unique qualities. I'm optimistic there's more to just cutting harder/bigger things, but as of now nothing's been taken from Zoro imo there just hasn't been a whole lot thrown on top of what he already had.
 
KiriNigiri

KiriNigiri

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Zoro can still have more unique abilities. Something to remember is that haki is a supplement to your fighting style, not the basis. And depending on how it's implemented can lead to a lot of creative applications. Not every battle involving haki have been the same, nor do it have to be. Take Katakuri. Between his Future Sight and special Paramecia, he managed to emulate the intangible nature of Logias from Pre-Timeskip. Luffy and Kaido possess Future Sight, too, but they can never hope to apply it the way Kat has.

Or most obvious, Luffy mixing his haki with his fruit to increase the durability of his body while maintaining its rubber properties.

I just don't see how Zoro acquiring Conqueror's taints his "thematic powers." He's still a swordsman, he still uses three sword style, and he is still coming up with new techniques unique to him. They're simply being empowered by his Conquerors. The expression of his nature.
 
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uyuu

uyuu

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langitbarat said:
There are quite a few of us Zoro fans who think that Haki (as in advanced conqueror) is "taking too much" of Zoro, and we're a bit dissatisfied with it.

First of all, we know that AdCoC is a good thing. It's a testament and proof of Zoro's talent, hardwork, and dreams. Him having it is guaranteed from the start.

Secondly, we know that to reach the top, you need everything to work on your favor. Being a genius swordsman isn't enough, you need to have many other factors such as supportive companion, top tier teacher, good blades, etc. Heck, Zoro is practically the 5th VoAT user. These stuff combined will make him to be the WSS.

However...

There is something off in having Zoro making extensive use of CoCting/advanced CoC. To some of us, it's like he's not a "pure" or genuine swordsman again.

This feeling originates from how CoCting is such a huge buff to one's combat power. It's like, two tier above. You can't help but think that a huge chunk of Zoro's attack power comes from this, instead of swordsmanship. I hope some of you understand what I meant.

- But, Haki is part of one's power!
For sure. But some of us wants Oda to give Zoro a special or unique abilities, preferably related to swordsmanship. CoCting feels like an attribute for haki main people.

- What do you want?
Like, make the CoCting powers less obvious (eg. smaller black lightning trail), and give Zoro his iconic animals silhouette/spirit manifestation. That would be immensely cooler.

- So, exclude/remove CoCting?
No no no. What I want is something like, a mix between CoCting and Zoro's unique skill, like the animal spirits stuff.

Again, CoCting is proof of Zoro's abilities. However, if Oda only shows it and disregard the swordsmanship or other Zoro's "flavor", he would seems generic.

All in all, I don't worry too much. Zoro is Oda's favorite, and he is proven to be able to balance Haki and Devil Fruit with Luffy, or physical and elemental damage with Sanji. I hope Oda don't forget that at the very core, Zoro is a swordsman and not "Hakiman" .
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Yea CoC Coating makes Zoro more generic instead of developing his own unique swordsman-oriented ability. But Luffy also suffers the same syndrome since he get Future Sight instead of developing Snakeman and being fast enough to counter Kata's FS. The generic powerups applies to a few fighters.
 
m0nst3Rx

m0nst3Rx

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I didnt read this but Zoro is EOSTOP1

and he alredy become a Hakiman/Swordsman/Allrounder

as expected from Zoro who can oneshot prime Yonkos
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langitbarat said:
Like, make the CoCting powers less obvious (eg. smaller black lightning trail), and
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:gokulaugh::gokulaugh:now i know this mf is a condomtard who jelose of Zoros CoC lighning that far massive leagues above from Luffy

im sorry it aint gonna happen
Zoro > Luffy since the begging and it will be the same until.series ends
 
draganax

draganax

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wtf is a hakiman?

haki is the most important part in swordsmanship, without is zoro would just be breaking swords left and right.
it is known that CoC only reflects the conqueror's own strength, you can't just take it away.
it is because zoro is so strong that his CoC is leaking that much.

and it's about time that zoro's animal/demonic aura start to assume physical form, like the "three dragons sword style", zoro draging behind him three dragons made of pure CoC was a glorious sight to behold.
 
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