Character Discussion Does G5/Looney Tunes ruin this manga ?

[Brush D. Teeth]

I think it kills tension against classical foes like Lucci and Kizaru. They can't keep up. Lucci has willpower on par with guys like Luffy and Zoro, but he falls short by a little. Kizaru is a self-admited cog in the machine (aka character in a manga). He played his role and just wants out. He's too old and jaded to keep up. Ten independent light clones is the best he can do. In another manga it would be enough. Here it's cool but not enough... Akainu and Aokiji might have the "guts" to reach next level, like Zoro and Sanji. We'll see.

But it absolutely does not kill tension against new enemies like the gorosei. These guys are absolutely not impressed lol. They just know this type of conflict is a huge pain in the ass. Like "aw shit, I know this guy is gonna paint a big hole under me and he's gonna embarrass me... Guess I'll have to the same and see how it goes...". The whole point of Imu and the gorosei is they don't want this kind of existential shit to go public. They blitzkrieg Egghead (and might just kill all marine witness in the end) because they're forced to. They don't want people to know their existence because... tomorrow a random marine could wish really hard he was really strong, and hey it might happen. It worked for them, it works for Luffy, and it can work for everyone because that's just the nature of the world they live in.

Before the void century, the whole world was a cartoon, and everyone knew it. Now, some magic remains and a select few can transcend, but the average reality is kind of drab. Do we go back or not ? I like this kind of tension.

ACoC was what changed the rules of the game. A character just can't keep up if they were not born with it now. Kizaru has good haki but too bad no ACoC, so he can't keep up. The gorosei may or may not have it, but it doesn't seem like they are anything special without their regen hax so far.

 

[yoyoyotony]

ACoC was what changed the rules of the game. A character just can't keep up if they were not born with it now. Kizaru has good haki but too bad no ACoC, so he can't keep up. The gorosei may or may not have it, but it doesn't seem like they are anything special without their regen hax so far.

I don't think you're born with conqueror's haki anymore. I think it's there for you if you want it. And you can push it as far as you want and do what you want with it. It's not black lightning, it's black ink and it's shaping your reality.

Kizaru could have this if he wanted to. He can't be arsed because that's who he is and I respect that lol. Not everybody wants to impose his will to the world. Maybe later he will transcend, or maybe he will just chill on his boat forever lol.

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

I don't think you're born with conqueror's haki anymore. I think it's there for you if you want it. And you can push it as far as you want and do what you want with it. It's not black lightning, it's black ink and it's shaping your reality.

Kizaru could have this if he wanted to. He can't be arsed because that's who he is and I respect that lol. Not everybody wants to impose his will to the world. Maybe later he will transcend, or maybe he will just chill on his boat forever lol.

I may agree, but that's headcanon so far. And we also have other characters uninterested in imposing their will who got CoC.

 

[yoyoyotony]

I may agree, but that's headcanon so far. And we also have other characters uninterested in imposing their will who got CoC.

Pure headcanon yeah. I hope Oda goes the meta way with all this, but we'll see.

 

[AER15]

If I read the word 'tension' on this forum one more time, I'm fucking reporting it to Shueisha
There are things to criticize Gear 5th for, but "muh tension" is literally the most cop-out thing you can come up with

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

Tension.

 

[Chrono]

If I read the word 'tension' on this forum one more time, I'm fucking reporting it to Shueisha
There are things to criticize Gear 5th for, but "muh tension" is literally the most cop-out thing you can come up with

Pls report us

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

The nika retcon will probably be looked back to as the event that initiated the fall of One Piece when it ends. Even the most ardent defenders will probably mald out towards the end when all the issues catch up to Oda with Imu as the final villian. Akainu will not matter as much as people think, Dragon already does not matter. There is literally nothing left to entice the most of the readers about a final arc other than Blackbeard, Zoro vs Mihawk and the final lingering mystery of the OP itself which fans have already mostly figured out any way. As someone who’s been a fan of Zoro, I’m not even confident that Oda will deliver on that final fight either with Oda being known to not draw sword fighting well.

Projecting much?
Literally talking about Zoro vs Mihawk, the epilogue of a secondary character. Zoro fans really are obsessed, not everyone is thinking about zoro only, most people are interested in One Piece for the misteries.
And being in One Piece for the fights is the most delusional shit ever. Zoro had 3 fights in the TS. 3 Fights in like 15 years. And you guys are here for the fights.

 

[Chrono]

The nika retcon will probably be looked back to as the event that initiated the fall of One Piece when it ends. Even the most ardent defenders will probably mald out towards the end when all the issues catch up to Oda with Imu as the final villian. Akainu will not matter as much as people think, Dragon already does not matter. There is literally nothing left to entice the most of the readers about a final arc other than Blackbeard, Zoro vs Mihawk and the final lingering mystery of the OP itself which fans have already mostly figured out any way. As someone who’s been a fan of Zoro, I’m not even confident that Oda will deliver on that final fight either with Oda being known to not draw sword fighting well.

When Oda doesnt give us Zoro vs Mihawk ((I have a feeling this may happen)), most of the fanbase will turn on him.

 

[L o g i a]

Projecting much?
Literally talking about Zoro vs Mihawk, the epilogue of a secondary character. Zoro fans really are obsessed, not everyone is thinking about zoro only, most people are interested in One Piece for the misteries.
And being in One Piece for the fights is the most delusional shit ever. Zoro had 3 fights in the TS. 3 Fights in like 15 years. And you guys are here for the fights.

People here for the fights are majoritarily incapable of enjoying a good story or literature. They'll get more kicks out of trash like MHA, Fairy Tail and Bobobo. Leave the One Pieces, Berserks and Vagaonds of the world for the rest of us to enjoy in peace please. Oda made it very clear that fighting was only secondary in this story, and only ever used to progress minor plot points or to thoroughly overcome obstacles he spent years writing about. How was this not obvious to people that Oda doesn't care about fights or powerscaling much at all after he introduced: good pirates, bad pirates, good marines, bad marines all in the space of the first 3 chapters of the story? One Piece is all about the diaspora of good and bad and the politics and adventures this creates.

I genuinely don't know why these people are even here. Literally everything is somehow contrived to involve or relate to Zoro. Luffy gets G5? "but Zoro__". Warcury has monstrous CoC? "but Zoro___", we find out what the One Piece is? "but Zoro____". It's SO WEIRD

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Nah the goofiness of Luffys abilities are fine and refreshing, what is ruining the manga is the sidelining of characters that mesh well with Luffys character in exchange for individuals who basically worship him. It makes for a very boring dynamic to read after a few chapters.

 

[The White Crane]

I love how hardcore Luffy and Oda defenders keep pretending like Gear 5 brought the fun into OP and is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Sry but Luffy's fights had always ridiculous moments that never really bothered anyone, in fact, nearly all of em were hilarious used during an appropriate time and Oda knew when to get back to business again.

This did not ruin Luffy vs Crocodile

This did not ruin Luffy vs Enel

This did not ruin Luffy vs Lucci

This did not ruin Luffy vs Katakuri

Don't pretend like Nika made OP fights fun, that couldn't be further from the truth. If you like the fact that Nika makes people uncomfortable and butthurt, good, that's another thing.

Nobody asked for Luffy to become an edgelord badass demon. In hindsight this guy was really cool. You know Luffy, not sun god Nika or Joyboy.

When was the last time I've even seen Luffy

The True Luffy really died when Kaido killed him. What we got now is his corpse and a bad joke.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

You guys are overreacting because Oda is making it more cartoony and funny. Noting Luffy has dine to his opponents is out of the realm of what Kaido said he can do in Wano. He grabbed a tree bite it to look like Bat, then he made it rubbery to bounce back Saturn attack just like he did to the ground with blast breate. The paint and hat is just for the funny shit. He turned Saturn and Kizaru into pizza cause thats within his power to rubberize what he touches. Call me when Luffy can teleport or manifest a poison gun that poison someone.

 

[yoyoyotony]

Nah the goofiness of Luffys abilities are fine and refreshing, what is ruining the manga is the sidelining of characters that mesh well with Luffys character in exchange for individuals who basically worship him. It makes for a very boring dynamic to read after a few chapters.

I don't think Dorry and Brogy worship Nika. They worship Elbaf. They know of Nika and they're pals with Luffy, but that's it. If they worshipped him, they wouldn't interfere because he wouldn't need them to, he's god.

The whole chosen one/worshipped one is going to be toned down or twisted I think. The SH haven't really even commented on the whole Nika thing. Even Luffy doesn't really know lol. Do you think Nami is suddenly going to worship him ? She'll just keep kicking his dumb ass down the good way I think.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I don't think Dorry and Brogy worship Nika. They worship Elbaf. They know of Nika and they're pals with Luffy, but that's it. If they worshipped him, they wouldn't interfere because he wouldn't need them to, he's god.

The whole chosen one/worshipped one is going to be toned down or twisted I think. The SH haven't really even commented on the whole Nika thing. Even Luffy doesn't really know lol. Do you think Nami is suddenly going to worship him ? She'll just keep kicking his dumb ass down the good way I think.

The sun god was mentioned multiple times in Big Moms flashback and the second they came to Egghead that called Luffy the sun god. They worship him

 

[yoyoyotony]

The sun god was mentioned multiple times in Big Moms flashback and the second they came to Egghead that called Luffy the sun god. They worship him

True, but there is no reverence or whatever. They're just pals I think. Giants seem to operate on a higher level. Elbaf is real to them, and it might just be that the island is the god and the god is the island, they don't just share the name. Loki might be a god too. It's not a big deal to them. The sun god is cool and the latest incarnation is their little friend Luffy ? Let's go help him out of this jam. They're not following a prophecy or whatever.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

True, but there is no reverence or whatever. They're just pals I think. Giants seem to operate on a higher level. Elbaf is real to them, and it might just be that the island is the god and the god is the island, they don't just share the name. Loki might be a god too. It's not a big deal to them. The sun god is cool and the latest incarnation is their little friend Luffy ? Let's go help him out of this jam. They're not following a prophecy or whatever.

They worship both; the Giants have a polytheistic religion

And yes to them Luffy is an incarnation of their god

 

[yoyoyotony]

They worship both; the Giants have a polytheistic religion

And yes to them Luffy is an incarnation of their god

If you think about it, the SHs and other characters worship Luffy since the beginning. He earned their worship by helping them, liberating them and so on. Brooke knew him for two weeks and was there two years later, no questions asked. That's faith lol.

So I guess now the faith in Luffy and the faith in Nika get kinda blended, and the second one feels unearned ? Are the giants there to help Luffy or to help Nika ?

I think that starting the lore dump with Kuma was intentional. He clearly worships Nika, and he passed it on to Bonney. They represent monotheism and blind faith. The giants seem way more laid back around "this god". Bonney saw Nika with tears in her eyes and angelic lights. The giants pat him on the back and laugh.

Zoro will see Luffy manifest more heads and more arms and say, mmph I can do that without screwing around. Get serious Luffy and finish this fight.

 

[Blother Fertitta]

Yes

G5 is trash, not to mention HARAM

 

[Devilbat]

I dislike the G5.

I don't overly hate it, but I quite dislike the over the top cartoon gags.

G2 is my favourite, and that fight with Lucci was fire.