General & Others Does Luffy actually have freedom?

[Monkey D Theories]

This could be me just thinking way too hard about a manga meant for 13 year olds, but...

Oda has created this narrative about Luffy which seems to be somewhat contradictory. On one hand, Luffy is supposed to be the embodiment of freedom. Luffy wants to be pirate king, the freest man alive. He has the Nika fruit, which makes him the warrior of liberation.

But on the other hand, everything Luffy does seems to be almost pre-determined by fate. Luffy is a chosen one. He is a D, a conqueror, he has VOAT, he has the Nika fruit, he has probably the 2nd strongest pirate crew in one piece at the moment, he has more poneglyphs than anyone else and Nico Robin to read them. Luffy is meant to be pirate king, he is meant to be joy boy. He is a messiah figure written in prophecy.


So in this sense, Luffy doesn't have any freedom at all, he is just following the steps that fate has laid out for him. I think it would be interesting if Oda played around with this, if being the freest person was actually completely contrary to being Joyboy, and in order to be pirate king, Luffy needs to give up being joyboy. But who am I kidding, One Piece isn't that deep.

 

[Hades]

Yes, Luffy has freedom....like you said One piece ain't deep....

Luffy simply does things as he wants without having inferiority complex or adhering to so called "society" principles......I think by definition doing whatever you want without caring for society norms is basically being free....he has no shackles to hit women, child, old men, or anyone....he has no fear towards the impossible dreams or things....

His bounty gain is not because of him being D or even his family...he gained bounty because of his actions....even Garp said in Marineford that even without Dragon tag, Luffy was a notorious criminal...

Luffy is not following the fate, fate just giving him a helping hand....fate is not the one controlling Luffy...... are you saying that Luffy raided impel down or marineford or enies loby because it was "predestined" by fate....?

 

[Finalbeta]

He is fighting to become the freest man around but in reality he is getting more and more on the list of the WG and the Marine as primary goal to strike down

 

[DJOMOLO]

This could be me just thinking way too hard about a manga meant for 13 year olds, but...

Oda has created this narrative about Luffy which seems to be somewhat contradictory. On one hand, Luffy is supposed to be the embodiment of freedom. Luffy wants to be pirate king, the freest man alive. He has the Nika fruit, which makes him the warrior of liberation.

But on the other hand, everything Luffy does seems to be almost pre-determined by fate. Luffy is a chosen one. He is a D, a conqueror, he has VOAT, he has the Nika fruit, he has probably the 2nd strongest pirate crew in one piece at the moment, he has more poneglyphs than anyone else and Nico Robin to read them. Luffy is meant to be pirate king, he is meant to be joy boy. He is a messiah figure written in prophecy.


So in this sense, Luffy doesn't have any freedom at all, he is just following the steps that fate has laid out for him. I think it would be interesting if Oda played around with this, if being the freest person was actually completely contrary to being Joyboy, and in order to be pirate king, Luffy needs to give up being joyboy. But who am I kidding, One Piece isn't that deep.

Oda actually planted the seeds of "Fate vs Freedom" in Reverse Mountain or even post loguetown. This might get explored more as we reach the finale of the series. Who knows, we'll see

 

[roronoa_fan]

Yes, he was chosen by fate, Oda already mentioned this in the special One Piece 10th Anniversary flyers.

I have the Portuguese version if it helps.

Spoiler

It says "There are people in this world who are extremely fortunate, true heroes chosen by the heavens [...] This conversation is about our captain Monkey D. Luffy [...] I think Luffy was born under the lucky star"

 

[WesMidnight]

If he hadn't trained, hadn't put in 100% effort, hadn't muscled through and woken up time after time against various enemies then he wouldn't be where he is, all those factors on his side or not. He had the freedom to be lazy and the freedom to fight for his dream.

If you are born with the aptitude to be a genius you have the potential, if you don't actualize that potential by training then you'd end up mediocre. If Newton never bothered to try mathematics and lived a life of leisure, or if he died in squalor unable to fill his belly, let alone dedicate his hours to maths, then he wouldn't have actualized his genius.

Luffy picked out his crew, seeing potential in them and inspiring them with his charisma to grow to the peak.
They would have died/failed at actualization without him, Zoro's motivation to get even stronger and throw some of his pride away was to serve Luffy, he wouldn't be where he is now without Luffy (even if we ignore him dying to Helmeppo without Luffy). Sanji would have stayed a chef in Baratie, if he'd stayed there after Luffy saved everyone from Krieg.

Pudding has shown there are alternate methods to read the poneglyphs in the world. Brook stealing Big Mom's was not an "accident" up to chance, but the brave decision of a great man, so don't belittle it as "fate".

He reached the pinacle of combat at the age of 19 before awakening, with a previously mediocre fruit. No one else was able to awaken the fruit for 800 years...

 

[Peenix]

Oda actually planted the seeds of "Fate vs Freedom" in Reverse Mountain or even post loguetown. This might get explored more as we reach the finale of the series. Who knows, we'll see

I’d imagine it’ll probably get more explored whenever the Blackbeard arc happens considering the guy’s got a hard-on for fate

 

[Finalbeta]

My boy Luffy seems to be protected by PIS more than anyone else

I label it as freedom

 

[uyuu]

Luffy's effort brings him to freedom he wants for himself, but at the same time Luffy's effort also brings him to the awakening of his unlockable DF, making him the chosen one for the world.

 

[serkeara]

Luffy is programmed and carry by destiny. He has freedom as he can do whatever without constraint.

He born with everything equipped him to be a god.

Seeing Luffy's story is like seeing Bill Gate's son wants to become millionaire. Luffy goal is so underwhelming for me.

 

[Kiddoo]

From the day he met Nami weeks after turning 17, Luffy has taken a totally objective journey on the perfect path to the Poneglyfis and One Piece. Considering the 2 years of training, the SH don't have a year sailing together, I guess they barely have 6 months of living together. This is extremely ridiculous. Even in anime it's ridiculous to create as much bond as SH has in such a short time. This cover story thing, could be islands that SH visit around the journey before the respective arcs, they could have at least 3 years of coexistence.

Luffy doesn't have freedom yet, as the path he traces is a straight and objective line.

A character who dreams of having freedom and traveling the world is delusional, knowing nothing about geography, history and shit.
He just repeats and repeats his dreams and has exciting scenes of few words, he has no intellect. Luffy is very shallow and ridiculous.
Oda took the whole concept of the generic protagonist and exaggerated it.

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>my riches and treasures? If you want, I'll let you have it, BUT ONLY IF YOU HAVE THE LEGENDARY STRAW HAT AND IF YOU ARE THE REINCARNATION OF JOYBOY AND HAVE EATEN THE FRUIT OF THE SUN GOD NIKA
>I left everything in that place FOR THAT SPECIFIC PERSON

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

If Luffy was "fated", all of Hawkins predictions made on the man about his survival would read "100 percent".

Luffy has Luck on his side. Not fate. There is a difference.

A certain anti-Luffy faction needs to learn that.

 

[Monster Luffy]

If Luffy was "fated", all of Hawkins predictions made on the man about his survival would read "100 percent".

Luffy has Luck on his side. Not fate. There is a difference.

A certain anti-Luffy faction needs to learn that.

Expecting sensible and logical posts from them is too much of expectations, lol. 🤣🤣🤣

Can't even differentiate between fate and luck, they are ready to talk about unknown thing called fate. Hilarious.

This is the disease of people. They talk too much about something they don't know. 🤣

 

[kanon]

Luffy's character is so bland no one can tell.
Luffy may has "freedom", but Oda certainly not.

 

[Finalbeta]

Luffy and his degrees of freedom 🧐

 

[Kiddoo]

Expecting sensible and logical posts from them is too much of expectations, lol. 🤣🤣🤣

Can't even differentiate between fate and luck, they are ready to talk about unknown thing called fate. Hilarious.

This is the disease of people. They talk too much about something they don't know. 🤣

Current Joyboy, owner of the government's most feared fruit, heir to the D, grandson of the legendary Garp, son of the greatest bounty of all time. Luck so excessive that it equals fate. Everyone notices Luffy similarities and phrases said just like Roger, if it wasn't clear to you that he is a reincarnation... But at least Oda built it from the beginning.