Character Discussion Does Shanks know about his family, and how much does he know?

Does Shanks know everyone?

  • Yes

    Votes: 25 47.2%

  • No

    Votes: 2 3.8%

  • Partially

    Votes: 17 32.1%

  • Nothing makes sense anymore

    Votes: 4 7.5%

  • TAC

    Votes: 5 9.4%
  • Total voters
    53
Cozy Sofa

Cozy Sofa

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#61
#61
ShinichiMugi said:
Shanks has canonically a good intelligence on taking informations (The crew had reports about Kidd and Blackbeard) so maybe he knows something,but maybe also not because one thing is to take informations about pirates,and another thing is to get informations about the World Government. It also depends on how famous are Holy Knights around the world. If they are famous,by the way,its a bullshit that we never heard about them until recently.
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They feel in one sense like CP-9/CP-0 and could be secret but at the same time also very much like the WG version of Shichibukai which would make them public but very seldomly in the limelight. 7/9 ultra strong ones do the dirty clean up job and gain extra money/protection/status/privileges.

I lean towards Holy Knights being Shichibukai of WG. Amongst them there should be a big spread of power level with the strongest capable of ascending to Gorosei. Fuji or Green Bull should have been former members but not the strongest which would indicate the WG absurd strength in depth. Nami will have heard of them if they are a known fraction so we might soon find out.
 
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yoyoyotony

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#62
#62
soupongo said:
Hey, so while I respect your opinion, I feel like you're trying to excuse writing that simply doesn't make sense. For example, while many of the people who escaped God Valley were criminals, it was also shown that many of the characters who escaped were slaves. We have characters like Kuma who went on to become well respected members of their communities and was shown to be a beloved member of his new community. I find it hard to imagine he was the only one. We can also look at other characters who used to be slaves of the CD's like Fisher Tiger and Boa Hancock. We could say these characters are pirates, and ofc they are, but they are also well respected individuals by common citizens of their islands. These citizens at some point likely talk to people from other islands... Again this is how stories spread in OP, even things like Nika/Joyboy etc did and have spread no matter what the WG tries.

Also, for example someone like Whitebeard who was at God valley despite being a pirate had enormous political influence. Many people in the world looked up to him and appreciated him for protecting islands like Fmi. Again, are we really supposed to believe WB had some reason to cover this up? And then we have to factor in the Marines/Cipher pol. We have many characters from these organizations who eventually left and did other things. Most famously, we could say Dragon. But there is obviously other Marines who have families they would tell, or might simply just switch jobs(I don't think its ever been implied Marines have some lifetime contract). We can even look at characters like Garp who has canonically been shown to constantly slip things through and by mistake revealed that Dragon is Luffys dad.
Then we have the Roger pirates. Remember, when Roger found laughtale, he spread the word, and Big news Morgan's himself reported on him finding the last island. Why couldn't Roger do something similar about God valley? People may believe it or not, but at the least, everyone should know about the celestial dragons existing, and from my understanding Luffy and Zoro didn't. Then we would just have to point to these countries suddenly becoming inhabited every 3 years.... God valley was in the west blue, which are generally considered more peaceful compared to the grand line... This should be a very shocking event, and we have to believe that no one put the dots together that the Marines were traveling to the west blue the exact time all these people died? No countries traded with God valley or any of the other countries that lose their entire populations every 3 years? As far as we know, there's not even an official explanation for any of this.
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I think even WB had a few reasons to cover this up... There's all the prophecy stuff, it's not time yet, whatever. But also WB and others might just have feared the WG enough to shut up. WB told the truth when he was dead, and he only said the OP is real. Vegapunk also...

Could WB, Kaido or Big Mom really fight the WG fully ? Marines were afraid of WB but managed him pretty well and they had ways to manage him even better (Mihawk, Hancock, Garp didn't really fight). And WB knew they had Holy Knights ready to go somewhere. Maybe he even knew about the Gorosei and their powers...

Same for Kuma and Ivankov... They could have told the truth anytime, but then it was over for them.

The Marines and great pirates were at a standstill more or less... But all great pirates knew the WG had way more than the marines to hurt them, so they just shut up.

Kaido and Big Mom had to make a alliance to even start to hope to do something... And they were both crazy and bloodthirsty lol. They waited decades to declare war. Due to the prophecy also maybe, but they were shown building their power patiently too, they knew what they were up against.
 
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yoyoyotony

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#64
#64
Same for Imu and the WG I guess...

They didn't want to bother the pirates. You kill WB, you get Luffy, that's a net loss lol : )

The yonko might have formed an alliance (imagine that lol, would have been glorious) and won, so you just keep tabs on them, infiltrate them, make deals with some (all ?) of them and wait...

Getting back, to laughtale, I really think the WG doesn't know where it is. Reason more for those who do to shut up. If WB had yelled the coordinates to LT or whatever, who gets there first ?

God valley on the other end... Yeah. That's a strange plot. Might be it's too stupid to even think it's real. This is way way worse than even our worst conspiracy theories lol. WB and co might not have wanted to be put in a mental hospital lol. Or maybe Imu has some kind of hypnosis power he uses when he needs to go mega propaganda...

Who the fuck is Imu anyway ? Who wants to spend their life in a fucking garden in a castle on a rock ? Is his plan to just slowly enslave the world to get money to buy lobsters to satisfy his trashy citizens ? For 800 years ? Fucking kill me lol
 
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Blax Blah

Blax Blah

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#65
#65
yoyoyotony said:
Same for Imu and the WG I guess...

They didn't want to bother the pirates. You kill WB, you get Luffy, that's a net loss lol : )

The yonko might have formed an alliance (imagine that lol, would have been glorious) and won, so you just keep tabs on them, infiltrate them, make deals with some (all ?) of them and wait...

Getting back, to laughtale, I really think the WG doesn't know where it is. Reason more for those who do to shut up. If WB had yelled the coordinates to LT or whatever, who gets there first ?
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Yeah but you would get Luffy and the others anyway
 
soupongo

soupongo

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#67
#67
yoyoyotony said:
I think even WB had a few reasons to cover this up... There's all the prophecy stuff, it's not time yet, whatever. But also WB and others might just have feared the WG enough to shut up. WB told the truth when he was dead, and he only said the OP is real. Vegapunk also...

Could WB, Kaido or Big Mom really fight the WG fully ? Marines were afraid of WB but managed him pretty well and they had ways to manage him even better (Mihawk, Hancock, Garp didn't really fight). And WB knew they had Holy Knights ready to go somewhere. Maybe he even knew about the Gorosei and their powers...

Same for Kuma and Ivankov... They could have told the truth anytime, but then it was over for them.

The Marines and great pirates were at a standstill more or less... But all great pirates knew the WG had way more than the marines to hurt them, so they just shut up.

Kaido and Big Mom had to make a alliance to even start to hope to do something... And they were both crazy and bloodthirsty lol. They waited decades to declare war. Due to the prophecy also maybe, but they were shown building their power patiently too, they knew what they were up against.
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I see your point.... but like, I feel that you're changing the conversation to should the people who were at God valley try fighting the WG... And I don't really agree with that framing. All they have to do is spread the info through their empires. The Rocks pirates personally attacked and tried to kill the same CD's and they basically escaped except for Rocks(I assume at least). I don't think they really "fear" the WG, and again, information spreads through word of mouth. We don't know who started talking about the man marked by flames, or something for example, we don't really know how Morgans got the story about Roger finding the OP. It wouldn't be that easy to track down the original source of the info, and the WG may not exactly want to start a war over them spreading info, because it would make the rumors seem true lol.
 
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yoyoyotony

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#69
#69
soupongo said:
I see your point.... but like, I feel that you're changing the conversation to should the people who were at God valley try fighting the WG... And I don't really agree with that framing. All they have to do is spread the info through their empires. The Rocks pirates personally attacked and tried to kill the same CD's and they basically escaped except for Rocks(I assume at least). I don't think they really "fear" the WG, and again, information spreads through word of mouth. We don't know who started talking about the man marked by flames, or something for example, we don't really know how Morgans got the story about Roger finding the OP. It wouldn't be that easy to track down the original source of the info, and the WG may not exactly want to start a war over them spreading info, because it would make the rumors seem true lol.
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I meant it more like if they talked, the WG would fight them ? And I think the WG feared the pirates too, the whole setup was mutually agreed, and rather peaceful all in all. The Rocks did this in their youth, it surely brought them a lot of heat, they surely fought back but grew tired of it, and "retreated" to the end of the world and called truce. The WG grew tired of it too, and agreed. Then they got old and started shit up again lol and here we are.

Roger told everyone about OP 2 seconds before losing his head. His son was marked for death before he was born. You can absolutely tell the truth in this world, but you and your loved ones and sometimes your country dies in the process. So you tell the truth through rumours and it gets muddy.
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Blax Blah said:
Well they can just train and defeat Big Mom and Kaido
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Well sure, that's what happened after all. Then Kidd and Law got taken care off like two days later, so that's like four great pirates close to the truth taken out by other great pirates close to the truth. The system seems to work rather well : ) Might have worked this way for hundred of years, until someday pirates really make a huge alliance.

99% of the world cheered when WB died. It took Vegapunk decades of being the WG's bitch to get the status needed for being heard and trusted.
 
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Jailer

Jailer

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#70
#70
soupongo said:
Give me a break. Age of smartphones? The very premise of the entire story of one piece is that Roger was called the pirate king because he found a treasure at the end of the grand line. The entire world of one piece talked about it, and almost every famous future pirate came to see his execution. We see in Odens flashback that Morgans did indeed report on it. The entire story of one piece is about stories traveling around the world and how the government can´t completely get rid of them. The witnesses of god valley hunting games include, Whitebeard, one of the most influential people in the entire world of OP who controls countless islands through the new world as well as a huge crew and fleet, Big mom, who also controls several islands and a massive crew, and Kaido. These people alone rule over millions of people. We can go on to include Kuma, who is also pretty famous in his kingdom, and Roger the, fucking pirate king lmao, as well as Shiki, and several other rocks pirates who were supposedly pretty relevant at one point. How the hell did all these people get sworn into secrecy? That is beyond ridiculous.
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The world at large until Vegapunk's message knew Roger as Gold Roger. Luffy was gonna get censored too similarly
 
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Blax Blah

Blax Blah

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#71
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yoyoyotony said:
I meant it more like if they talked, the WG would fight them ? And I think the WG feared the pirates too, the whole setup was mutually agreed, and rather peaceful all in all. The Rocks did this in their youth, it surely brought them a lot of heat, they surely fought back but grew tired of it, and "retreated" to the end of the world and called truce. The WG grew tired of it too, and agreed. Then they got old and started shit up again lol and here we are.

Roger told everyone about OP 2 seconds before losing his head. His son was marked for death before he was born. You can absolutely tell the truth in this world, but you and your loved ones and sometimes your country dies in the process. So you tell the truth through rumours and it gets muddy.
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Well sure, that's what happened after all. Then Kidd and Law got taken care off like two days later, so that's like four great pirates close to the truth taken out by other great pirates close to the truth. The system seems to work rather well : ) Might have worked this way for hundred of years, until someday pirates really make a huge alliance.

99% of the world cheered when WB died. It took Vegapunk decades of being the WG's bitch to get the status needed for being heard and trusted.
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Yeah but I think there it depends on if you think Kidd and Law are out of the quest for the one piece, personally I don't
 
Bisoromi Bear

Bisoromi Bear

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#75
#75
soupongo said:
Hey, so while I respect your opinion, I feel like you're trying to excuse writing that simply doesn't make sense. For example, while many of the people who escaped God Valley were criminals, it was also shown that many of the characters who escaped were slaves. We have characters like Kuma who went on to become well respected members of their communities and was shown to be a beloved member of his new community. I find it hard to imagine he was the only one. We can also look at other characters who used to be slaves of the CD's like Fisher Tiger and Boa Hancock. We could say these characters are pirates, and ofc they are, but they are also well respected individuals by common citizens of their islands. These citizens at some point likely talk to people from other islands... Again this is how stories spread in OP, even things like Nika/Joyboy etc did and have spread no matter what the WG tries.
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But there is obviously other Marines who have families they would tell
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You are correct but why would a slave that has experienced the horrors of the WG or a lower ranked employe share information that could endanger their families and community members? It's more likely they don't want to think about it mist of the time. Do you know how humans act under repressive dictatorships and how little information is discussed within families to reduce the risk of accidental 'leaks' on the family's true political leanings? How schools try to make children talk, disguised as innocent games?

Cozy Sofa said:
I lean towards Holy Knights being Shichibukai of WG.
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Nice catch
 
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