Character Discussion Does Zoro's progress make sense?

Yeah, King and Katakuri below Kaido and Big Mom. Which makes Oden higher than YC1 for sure. Also, yeah, Vergo is closer to Mingo than a YC1 to Yonko... Vergo WOULD NOT be one or two-shotted by Doffy imo... While I can See Kaido or Big Mom oneshotting King or Katakuri if the hit landed and he couldn't dodge...

SPECIALLY because Kaido oneshotted Luffy at beginning of Wano (who I considered at the time at YC1) and who's durability is FAAAAR greater than Katakuri based on their fight... because Luffy can take a whole lot of damage... a whole lot more than Katakuri...

So getting oneshotted?

Now, I don't see the same treatment between Doflamingo and Vergo... I can see Vergo lasting longer... and maybe even land good hits against Mingo... So yeah Vergo is closer to Mingo than King or Katakuri to their captain.. and him being called a partner also emphasizes that
We have the example of Marco holding a clash with Big Mom though, who you have disconsiderend based on the whole son vs brother or partner rhetoric.
 
Then whys he still scared of oden now and admits the scabbards can kill him if they were as strong as oden was then ?
He thinks that someone like Oden could open his old scar.



we know that Kaido has built his strength in the past 20 years as per Oden's "advice".
 
No we dont. What shows he listened who has he fought. Stop talking shit
No he said they cant kill him because they are not oden. They couldnt even open his scar. Learn how to read
Common sense says that in 20 years time he would get stronger, especially since he is part of the second Yonko wave with Shanks, and not first with Whitebeard and Big Mom. Like, we know that Big Mom, Whitebeard and Shiki were the first big shots of the NW after Rogers death.

Text says that he would get stronger, as he finds himself inadequate at the time and is even told by his opponet to improve.

The only thing that says he would stagnate for 20 whole years is your bias on the matter :kayneshrug:
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Common sense says that in 20 years time he would get stronger, especially since he is part of the second Yonko wave with Shanks, and not first with Whitebeard and Big Mom. Like, we know that Big Mom, Whitebeard and Shiki were the first big shots of the NW after Rogers death.

Text says that he would get stronger, as he finds himself inadequate at the time and is even told by his opponet to improve.

The only thing that says he would stagnate for 20 whole years is your bias on the matter :kayneshrug:
If he got stronger he wouldnt be scared of oden even now.
He hasnt seen meme in decades marco didnt know how bad wano was implying he hadnt fought wb either
So hows he got stronger ?
 

Finalbeta

Hero of Albion
we know that Kaido has built his strength in the past 20 years as per Oden's "advice".
Of course Kaido got stronger but this is unknown. Kaido isn't the type to accept suggestions from other people too, expecially guys he would kill lol. If not yes he got stronger, but not really because of that for all we know.
 
If he got stronger he wouldnt be scared of oden even now.
He hasnt seen meme in decades marco didnt know how bad wano was implying he hadnt fought wb either
So hows he got stronger ?
He was defeated 7 times as a pirate out of his many fights and got captured 18 times




He drops on top of Kidd's base during his introduction looking for a fight.

Out of all the top tiers, it's funny to suggest that Kaido's the one who did not improve because he spent the past 20 years hiding in Wano :milaugh:
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
He was defeated 7 times as a pirate out of his many fights and got captured 18 times




He drops on top of Kidd's base during his introduction looking for a fight.

Out of all the top tiers, it's funny to suggest that Kaido's the one who did not improve because he spent the past 20 years hiding in Wano :milaugh:
How do you know all that didnt come when he was younger ? Lmfao as usual you have no answer.
You think hes been captured in the last 20 years ?
 
How do you know all that didnt come when he was younger ? Lmfao as usual you have no answer.
You think hes been captured in the last 20 years ?
Let's say that we both don't know shit, and 3 of his losses happened before Oden, and the other 3 happened after Oden.

He got captured 9 times before Oden, and 9 times after Oden.

That's the most unbiased way to look at it, we just spread them out cuz we don't have evidence that more happened before or after.

Obviously that is still not convenient for your narrative, but your narrative was not about being as objective as possible in the first place :milaugh:
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Let's say that we both don't know shit, and 3 of his losses happened before Oden, and the other 3 happened after Oden.

He got captured 9 times before Oden, and 9 times after Oden.

That's the most unbiased way to look at it, we just spread them out cuz we don't have evidence that more happened before or after.

Obviously that is still not convenient for your narrative, but your narrative was not about being as objective as possible in the first place :milaugh:
If he didnt have that rep why was he called the invincible kaido when he fought oden ?
 
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