General & Others Double standard in One Piece
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I dont like tons of plot armors especially if its all granted to my favorite character. It means Oda doesnt have other ways to present powerlevel progression.
I agree Luffy have too many plot armors, but others have it too. And they dont have huge plot restriction like Luffy just to hype their enemies.
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Kaidou's PIS
- Kaidou literally welcome free hits from everyone since he said it himself in 1037 that he didnt even fight seriously before, and none could be a serious challenge for him, even. At Rooftop, his kanabo attacks were also mostly focused to attack Luffy in the entire Rooftop and no one else. G4 speed was blitzed by Kaidou in Udon. But Kaidou never attacked the others with. Suddenly Zoro (slow in beating Pica, could do nothing against Doflamingo non-awakened Strings) and Law (cant deal with Doflamingo's reaction and versatility) could match Kaidou or BM speed even when G4 was blitzed helpless. Thats a big plot armor, literally all their stat increased to match the plot requirement of them surviving against Kaidou and BM. Dont cherrypick please.
- Of course this PIS also affected Kaidou in his decision against Luffy. Shouldve killed him from tye start. I just wanna point out that the alliance members like Kinemon, Law, Zoro etc also protected from this PIS.
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About CoC. Imo Luffy is not armored by plot in this aspect. It's plot restriction instead.
- Zoro was given Enma as a training tool which allows him to activate his CoC unconsciously. While CoC is willpower and while Luffy had unconsciously activate CoC since Impel Down to knock out the crazy wolves, he didnt know how to control it until Rayleigh taught him. So Luffy needed two years to be able to do conscious basic CoC.
- While Zoro? Not only he jumped from basic CoC in Rooftop Asura, he jumped over to conscious basic CoC fodder knock, even to CoC Coating in the same arc. Compare it to Luffy who needed 2 years and also Rayleigh PK right hand to teach him to just use and control, just basic CoC, even when Luffy's the CoC specialist.
- An even more ridiculous plot armor, is that Luffy needed 2 years just to learn CoC basic literally from PK Right Hand who was surefirekill to witness his captain use CoC Coating millions of times against WB and Garp and Sengoku and Xebec etc. Rayleigh didnt even tell Luffy that power possessed by the very strongest ones "ooh Luffy do you know Captain Roger can infuse CoC blast at his limbs and attacks instead of just knockin fodders? Its the most extravagant power ever, so listen up! Since you seem to be proficient in CoC, why dont you try to find out about this? I can do it a lil bit tho unlike my captain, its like this, see this no-touch zone and black lightning? Try to master that" etc. Suddenly Rayleigh had amnesia. Luffy couldnt even do that technique from that 2 years, and in that 2 years Rayleigh never told him even once about what Roger can do with CoC infusion.
- And Zoro get AdvCoC in he same day he begun to awaken unconscious basic CoC. Can you imagine Oda's favoritism? CoC Coating is a power that stems from figuring out a specific technique, knowing how to infuse attacks with CoC and also mastering CoA Flow utilized in Barrier CoA and Internal Destruction CoA. Luffy, after learning CoC tech for 2 years, still didnt accomplish anything more than basic CoC fodder knock tech and no flow principle. Sudden Rayleigh amnesia strikes again.
- while Zoro knew nothing about Internal Destruction Flow, and suddenly he get AdvCoC by going all out without any technique?
- Imagine if Luffy was plotted to make that kind of leap, Luffy would not faint in Impel Down 5th floor, he would awaken conscious basic CoC after meeting Iva through sheer willpower like Zoro did while fighting King. By that kinda pace Zoro received CoC right now, pre-TS Luffy would've gotten CoC Coating after Ivanko, thus buldozed through level 6 and absolutely destroyed both Magellan and Blackbeard, killing them both if plot doesnt restrict him. Since Luffy is the CoC specialist but he's not the one jumping from unconscious basic CoC to CoC Coating in one day, if Luffy the CoC specialist follow that pattern, then he will figure out Skysplitter AdvCoC by himself before Marineford, thus becoming an entity even stronger than Sick Old WB in MF arc. Or if he's tired from Magellan and BB, at least on par with Sick Old WB. So beating Aokiji and saving Ace it is. Getting exhausted? Life Hormone from Iva it is, he beats Sengoku then help Sick Old WB 2v1 Akainu. WB and Ace both saved. Garp will have nothing to say as he witness Skysplitter Luffy, a brat with powerlevel literally reminiscent of Roger.
- What will Luffy do post-timeskip if he received Oda's blessings to Zoro, without plot restriction? His CoC Coating will be GalaxySplitting level lol, no need to bother with Emperors, straight to Imu it is.
Tldr Zoro's AdvCoC plot armor Is literally a gigantic plot armor that eclipses every Luffy's plot armor combined.
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To summarize it, three points:
- i agree that Luffy receives more frequent plot armor than his peers like Zoro, Sanji, Law, Kidd. Since Kaidou spared his life way too often.l, and he get powerups way too often. But to balance that, Luffy also restricted by the same plot wanting to hype his enemies every single time. From Hody to Dofla to Cracker to Kata to even Ulti, everyone that Luffy fought against must be hyped and Luffy's the one being sacrificed-humiliated by plot for all those guys.
- The frequent plot armors Luffy has, they themselves have less weight/intensity (each) compared to one or two plot armor/s the other Strawhat or Alliance have, since the plot required not only Luffy (who needed to scrape and build-up powerups since a thousand years ago, just to finally match Kaidou) but also the other nakamas to win against their respective opponents.
- i dont agree that AdvCoC is Luffy's plot armor. Its the result of Oda finally giving him what he deserved since training during TS, but he gave it too suddenly instead of gradually. The other plot armors Luffy has, like getting sudden friends or teachers etc, i can agree with. But if its related to CoC, i cant agree with it since it just substitute for Rayleigh Amnesia and Luffy's (retardation of) CoC specialization since timeskip.
I agree Luffy have too many plot armors, but others have it too. And they dont have huge plot restriction like Luffy just to hype their enemies.
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Kaidou's PIS
- Kaidou literally welcome free hits from everyone since he said it himself in 1037 that he didnt even fight seriously before, and none could be a serious challenge for him, even. At Rooftop, his kanabo attacks were also mostly focused to attack Luffy in the entire Rooftop and no one else. G4 speed was blitzed by Kaidou in Udon. But Kaidou never attacked the others with. Suddenly Zoro (slow in beating Pica, could do nothing against Doflamingo non-awakened Strings) and Law (cant deal with Doflamingo's reaction and versatility) could match Kaidou or BM speed even when G4 was blitzed helpless. Thats a big plot armor, literally all their stat increased to match the plot requirement of them surviving against Kaidou and BM. Dont cherrypick please.
- Of course this PIS also affected Kaidou in his decision against Luffy. Shouldve killed him from tye start. I just wanna point out that the alliance members like Kinemon, Law, Zoro etc also protected from this PIS.
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About CoC. Imo Luffy is not armored by plot in this aspect. It's plot restriction instead.
- Zoro was given Enma as a training tool which allows him to activate his CoC unconsciously. While CoC is willpower and while Luffy had unconsciously activate CoC since Impel Down to knock out the crazy wolves, he didnt know how to control it until Rayleigh taught him. So Luffy needed two years to be able to do conscious basic CoC.
- While Zoro? Not only he jumped from basic CoC in Rooftop Asura, he jumped over to conscious basic CoC fodder knock, even to CoC Coating in the same arc. Compare it to Luffy who needed 2 years and also Rayleigh PK right hand to teach him to just use and control, just basic CoC, even when Luffy's the CoC specialist.
- An even more ridiculous plot armor, is that Luffy needed 2 years just to learn CoC basic literally from PK Right Hand who was surefirekill to witness his captain use CoC Coating millions of times against WB and Garp and Sengoku and Xebec etc. Rayleigh didnt even tell Luffy that power possessed by the very strongest ones "ooh Luffy do you know Captain Roger can infuse CoC blast at his limbs and attacks instead of just knockin fodders? Its the most extravagant power ever, so listen up! Since you seem to be proficient in CoC, why dont you try to find out about this? I can do it a lil bit tho unlike my captain, its like this, see this no-touch zone and black lightning? Try to master that" etc. Suddenly Rayleigh had amnesia. Luffy couldnt even do that technique from that 2 years, and in that 2 years Rayleigh never told him even once about what Roger can do with CoC infusion.
- And Zoro get AdvCoC in he same day he begun to awaken unconscious basic CoC. Can you imagine Oda's favoritism? CoC Coating is a power that stems from figuring out a specific technique, knowing how to infuse attacks with CoC and also mastering CoA Flow utilized in Barrier CoA and Internal Destruction CoA. Luffy, after learning CoC tech for 2 years, still didnt accomplish anything more than basic CoC fodder knock tech and no flow principle. Sudden Rayleigh amnesia strikes again.
- while Zoro knew nothing about Internal Destruction Flow, and suddenly he get AdvCoC by going all out without any technique?
- Imagine if Luffy was plotted to make that kind of leap, Luffy would not faint in Impel Down 5th floor, he would awaken conscious basic CoC after meeting Iva through sheer willpower like Zoro did while fighting King. By that kinda pace Zoro received CoC right now, pre-TS Luffy would've gotten CoC Coating after Ivanko, thus buldozed through level 6 and absolutely destroyed both Magellan and Blackbeard, killing them both if plot doesnt restrict him. Since Luffy is the CoC specialist but he's not the one jumping from unconscious basic CoC to CoC Coating in one day, if Luffy the CoC specialist follow that pattern, then he will figure out Skysplitter AdvCoC by himself before Marineford, thus becoming an entity even stronger than Sick Old WB in MF arc. Or if he's tired from Magellan and BB, at least on par with Sick Old WB. So beating Aokiji and saving Ace it is. Getting exhausted? Life Hormone from Iva it is, he beats Sengoku then help Sick Old WB 2v1 Akainu. WB and Ace both saved. Garp will have nothing to say as he witness Skysplitter Luffy, a brat with powerlevel literally reminiscent of Roger.
- What will Luffy do post-timeskip if he received Oda's blessings to Zoro, without plot restriction? His CoC Coating will be GalaxySplitting level lol, no need to bother with Emperors, straight to Imu it is.
Tldr Zoro's AdvCoC plot armor Is literally a gigantic plot armor that eclipses every Luffy's plot armor combined.
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To summarize it, three points:
- i agree that Luffy receives more frequent plot armor than his peers like Zoro, Sanji, Law, Kidd. Since Kaidou spared his life way too often.l, and he get powerups way too often. But to balance that, Luffy also restricted by the same plot wanting to hype his enemies every single time. From Hody to Dofla to Cracker to Kata to even Ulti, everyone that Luffy fought against must be hyped and Luffy's the one being sacrificed-humiliated by plot for all those guys.
- The frequent plot armors Luffy has, they themselves have less weight/intensity (each) compared to one or two plot armor/s the other Strawhat or Alliance have, since the plot required not only Luffy (who needed to scrape and build-up powerups since a thousand years ago, just to finally match Kaidou) but also the other nakamas to win against their respective opponents.
- i dont agree that AdvCoC is Luffy's plot armor. Its the result of Oda finally giving him what he deserved since training during TS, but he gave it too suddenly instead of gradually. The other plot armors Luffy has, like getting sudden friends or teachers etc, i can agree with. But if its related to CoC, i cant agree with it since it just substitute for Rayleigh Amnesia and Luffy's (retardation of) CoC specialization since timeskip.
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But the deuteragonist characters you mentioned also almost always get outshined by the MC. Despite the amount of hype that Sasuke got in part 1, Naruto was always one-upping him. Sasuke almost died against Haku, Naruto almost killed him. Sasuke was frustrated that he couldn't take down one-tailed Gaara, but Naruto defeated him. The same shit happens with Vegeta. And even Killua, who was often portrayed to be a step ahead of Gon, was relegated to being a support character in the Chimera Ant arc while Gon killed Pitou by himself. Even in the Greed Island Arc, both Biscuit and Killua fought the two henchmen while Gon fought the Bomber by himself
The difference with Zoro is that he does not directly compete with Luffy, but he still gets the hype of being every bit as competent as the MC at times. With characters like Kid and Law, they do directly compete with Luffy because they aim for becoming the Pirate King, which ensures that they will directly lose to Luffy.
The difference with Zoro is that he does not directly compete with Luffy, but he still gets the hype of being every bit as competent as the MC at times. With characters like Kid and Law, they do directly compete with Luffy because they aim for becoming the Pirate King, which ensures that they will directly lose to Luffy.
Ulti forcing post-Udon into G4 was one of the best moments in Luffy Piece. 
Oda forgot to put on the plot armor for Luffy, resulting in him going all out therefore solidifying Ulti’s position as the #1-2 of the Tobi Roppo.
Oda forgot to put on the plot armor for Luffy, resulting in him going all out therefore solidifying Ulti’s position as the #1-2 of the Tobi Roppo.
He didn't use G2 which is more useful in a 2vs1
Couldn't use FS so Ulti Can grab him
Couldn't use IdCoA because we need to keep it for Kaido in chapter 1000
People just see the plot for Luffy but never against him