Controversial East Blue Strawhats and The First Four Yonko

Yoho

I'm Quite Dandy
#1
In literature there is a term known has a Foil.

A Foil is a character who contrast with another

A Fine example being: woody and buzzlightyear

Woody is a cynical, snarky cowboy who accepts things the way they are and knows what he is and what his purpose is in life he is a realist

Buzz is a naive, charismatic space ranger who can't accept reality when first introduced he isn't ready to accept the fact he's a toy he fully believes he's actually buzz lightyear if Woody is a realist, Buzx would be a dreamer.

Now what does this have to do with one piece and the title of the video?

Well I believe the Original 4 yonko are almost the perfect foils to the first 4 east blue strawhats

Sanji:Kaido Sanji and Kaido are Foils of each other in the way that Sanjj truly cares for his comrades, he has his code and he sticks to it, he'll never let anyone go hungry be they friend or foe. Meanwhile Kaido is cruel and vicious failure can mean punishment or death he willingly took over and starved and entire country of its food and resources just to fund his crew and agenda. Hell Sanji's father knew Kaido's second commander on a personal level. No other character in wano arc had a direct connection to a member of Kaido's crew

Usopp- Whitebeard: Usopp and Whitebeard are foils of each other in the way that Usopp is known has being cowardly but what one may call cowardly another can call knowing hid limits, Usopp isn't afraid of being know has the one who ran away, he doesn't care if his reputation is on the line he puts survival above all else, he is known has the weakest but with his mindset he'll out live even the strongest of characters. Meanwhile Whitebeard is strong, fearless and will never back down from a fight. Has the youngsters say these days he died "Standing on Business" Whitebeard is what Usopp wishes he could be a strong, brave and loved warrior of the sea

Nami: Big Mom: Nami was adopted by Bellemere raised in a small house with a small family, until she was forced to become a pirate to survive after the death of her mother, Nami loves her family and is loved by her family, Nami also has strong motherly instincts and is always protective of child characters, and while she isn't the most durable or most powerful one can say she more than makes up for it with her battle IQ, on the flip side Big Mom or Linlin was abandoned has a pup and found by Caramel Big mom's unlike Nami didn't grow up with a loving family she grew up thinking Caramel was an Angel when in fact she was the Devil with torn wings, big mom murdered her own family and became a pirate out of necessity not out-of survival, despite having nearly a hundred children Big Mom has no motherly instincts at all. And despite being so powerful, she has almost zero battle iq like imagine how strong Big Mom could of been if given Nami's battle IQ

Zoro:Shanks: Zoro from a young age always knew his dream was to become the world's strongest swordsman, it wasnt until after meeting luffy that he was willing to throw that dream away if it meant helping Luffy achieve his. Zoro is known for always getting lost and is the right hand to the pirate king, meanwhile Shanks is known around the world for his duels with Mihawk but doesn't seem at all interested in the title for world's strongest swordsman, he served with the previous pirate king except has a cabin boy and was found by Roger in the beginnings of his life, Zoro was found by Luffy waiting for his death. And unlike Zoro who has a terrible sense of direction, Shanks always seems to show up right when he needs to. Luffy Flash back- showed up right when The mountain bandit had Luffy ready to kill him, Marineford showed up outta nowhere to block Akainu how no one noticed a giant ship of a yonko approaching idk, but he also managed to be in the waters of wano when green bull arrived and happened to be on Elbaf at the exact moment kid pulled up.

Well that about sums it up I believe the Original 4 yonko are Foils to the original 4 east blue strawhats

I think when we get more info on Rocks he will be the Foil to Luffy
 

Yoho

I'm Quite Dandy
#5
A foil is a character who contrast with another through their interactions.

Your definition of foil is missing the last key bit. Foils must contrast through interaction and not simply be opposite personalities. So these aren't examples of real foils.

Nami and Luffy are the closest example of foil characters.
Wdym characters don't have to interact to be considered foils of each other interact or not it doesn't change the meaning and purpose behind a foil character

https://kindlepreneur.com/foil-char...racter and foil,great way to generate tension.
 
#6
Wdym characters don't have to interact to be considered foils of each other interact or not it doesn't change the meaning and purpose behind a foil character

https://kindlepreneur.com/foil-character/#:~:text=Your main character and foil,great way to generate tension.
Counterpoint accept BUT an example would be something like this

In Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, the main character's two personas act as foils to each other. Dr. Jekyll is a kind and polite gentleman, whereas Mr. Hyde is a violent and rude brute.
The problem with your examples is that you're simply demonstrating opposite personalities. That isn't enough to work as a foil. Those personality contrasts must function somehow within the plot and this does not occur in One Piece.
 
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Herrera95

#7
Never saw someone with so wrong and low comprehension of One Piece characters before.

Sanji is not kind and carefully for his nakamura. Sanji character was meant to be a gentleman but Oda fucked up with the women joke and made him a pervert which was suppose to be Franky and Brook.

Usopp currently is as brave as Whitebeard was. They just fight differently.

Big Mom still believe her family loved her and Nami even hated Bellemere for a moment. Child behavior but still happened.
 

Yoho

I'm Quite Dandy
#8
Never saw someone with so wrong and low comprehension of One Piece characters before.

Sanji is not kind and carefully for his nakamura. Sanji character was meant to be a gentleman but Oda fucked up with the women joke and made him a pervert which was suppose to be Franky and Brook.

Usopp currently is as brave as Whitebeard was. They just fight differently.

Big Mom still believe her family loved her and Nami even hated Bellemere for a moment. Child behavior but still happened.
Sanji's character Is built on chivalry and was 100% willing to sacrifice himself for his friends so they don't get on big moms bad side

Usopp literally on wano said its best to run away and live another day than to fight, he even tried getting Nami to lie and say luffy won't become pirate king so she won't get head butted by Nami he was willing to throw away his own beliefs for survival, Usopp would never not run away, he is and will always be a coward but he is brave enough to keep fighting despite his fear

Big mom always believed and still believes mother Caramel to be a good person despite, Caramel being a human trafficker, Nami hated Bellemere for a second because she didn't understand what Bellemere did was for her own good
 
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Herrera95

#9
Sanji's character Is built on chivalry and was 100% willing to sacrifice himself for his friends so they don't get on big moms bad side
Nope. He initial idea was to marry and the ran away or just refuse the marriage I don't remember. He only stayed because of Zeff. He had no problem in bringing Robin to a trap against Black Maria. He had no problem letting Usopp and Nami facing Ulti and Page One knowing how strong Page One was. He refused to use/keep Raid Suit that he knew it would make him stronger and help his friends. That was during or after WCI.

Sacrificing yourself for the crew or specially for Luffy is not a Sanji's exclusively. They all did. Robin more importantly at Ennies Lobby. She turned herself TO DIE. Sanji "turned" himself to live under luxury of a Yonko with an amazingly beautiful wife (I wonder if he would do the same sacrifice if Pudding was ugly...) that nothing would miss in his life. Bege kept being a pirate after marring Big Mom's child why wouldn't Sanji(ignore the assassin plot that he didn't knew about it)?

Let's not forget that Kaido also cares about his crew. He step up against Sulong Mink Kings when Jack got defeated and told him to retreat even saying he isn't weak. Hell he even cared about Linlin when Killer, Zoro, Kid and Law almost made she fall at sea what would have killed her. Sanji only moral comes to food he doesn't care about Kaido being brutal or assassin.

Usopp literally on wano said its best to run away and live another day than to fight, he even tried getting Nami to lie and say luffy won't become pirate king so she won't get head butted by Nami he was willing to throw away his own beliefs for survival, Usopp would never not run away, he is and will always be a coward but he is brave enough to keep fighting despite his fear
This is how Usopp fights. He PRETENDS to run away and to give his beliefs but he is never actually running away. He still faced Ulti and Page One knowing how unfair the matchup was towards him. He kept fighting after they both got defeated. In Dressrosa he had a reason to be considered a God because he exposed himself to danger. At Ennies Lobby he faced all his fears to help the crew and specially to save Robin. At Water 7 he even stood up against Luffy because of his beliefs. That mean is anything but a coward. A coward is someone who doesn't face your fears. He is corageous because he face them. Luffy can never be like that because he is fearless. Zoro too.

Now getting back to Usopp - Whitebeard. I would say Whitebeard isn't fearless he also knows his limits. We saw at Oden's flashback that he used to ran from marines because he knows is useless to take fight with them since they keep sending more and more ships. The thing about Whitebeard never backing down a fight is because he knows once he does his family will be targeted.
Big mom always believed and still believes mother Caramel to be a good person despite, Caramel being a human trafficker, Nami hated Bellemere for a second because she didn't understand what Bellemere did was for her own good
So what? Big Mom crew up thinking that she had a good mother. She never thought bad of Madre Carmel at once. Meanwhile Nami crew up also thinking she had a good mother but she also had a negative thought about Bellemere. Also Big Mom simply didn't understood what happened with Madre Carmel until today. Nami knew pretty well. Nothing of this justify Big Mom being the bitch she is and Nami doesn't.

Now let's talk about Zoro and Shanks. WTF! We know so little about Shanks yet your headcannon already has the full description of him and even based on fillers like film Red. Shanks was not found in a treasure by Roger and Rayleigh. That's film Red filler until Oda draws it in the actual manga.

We don't know nothing about Shanks sense of direction like that was suppose to be a thing when it is clearly the joke towards Zoro. Every Strawhat has a joke like this. Luffy is dumb and all about meat. Zoro has no sense of direction and is all about alcohol. Nami is bossy and all about money. Usopp is a afraid man and all about lies. Sanji is a gentlemen and all about ladies. Chopper is naive and can't accept compliments. Robin is about poneglyphs. Franky is about cola. Brook is about panties. Jinbei I don't know yet.

But the thing is Shanks may have bad sense of direction and we don't know yet. He getting into Marineford says absolutely nothing. Luffy is not responsible for travelling the ship why would Shanks be? There is a fucking war going on why someone would notice his ship getting closer? About Wano... Shanks tried to face Teach from getting there and he was obviously wrong since Teach was at Winner's Island. About Elbaf... Shanks stated that he saw the giants so it has nothing to do with Kid while he probably knew all the possible islands the pirates of Wano could possibly go after so is not a big deal. He was completely unawate of Kid that's why Kid was destroying his fleet which he cares about it too much.

Your thread says absolute nothing if not to tell the whole world you don't understand One Piece and it's characters.
 
#11
Never saw someone with so wrong and low comprehension of One Piece characters before.
Your thread says absolute nothing if not to tell the whole world you don't understand One Piece and it's characters.
My guy, you literally made a thread not too long ago accusing One Piece of being communist propaganda
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/communist-oda-strikes-again.51980/

Don’t think you have the high ground to be dishing out these insults to anybody. :milaugh:
 

WalnutTax

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#15
I like the theory of the four emperor saga each having a special moment for each of the four crewmates from east blue.

WCI - Big Mom - Sanji
Wano - Kaido - Zoro
Elbaf - Shanks - Usopp
Loadstar/Laughtale - Blackbeard - Nami
Agreed. For Elbaf, Usopp should be a no-brainer at this point, and we need the Yasopp connection explored besides just the giants. For Lodestar (assuming we get it), Nami will be absolutely critical, both in navigating and in being one step closer to fulfilling her dream. However major or minor that location presents, it has to place a greater emphasis on her compared to the rest. Laugh Tale should be no different.

In terms of the emperors, I think it's safe to say that the current lineup presents the best material for analysis, as all four are great foils for one another, especially Buggy. Each of these Emperors possesses a strong candidacy for "Joyboy." However, with the exception of Luffy, the other three are still false prophets and lack a certain crucial quality that is needed in the end.
 
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