Character Discussion Egghead arc VAs.
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This could be a new opportunity for Oda to show off some new Marines that were recruited during the world draft, and maybe even some more "zodiac vice admirals".
Iirc @Blother Fertitta suggested that the fat ass could be a fishmen, which would make him the first fishmen marine we've seen iirc
Iirc @Blother Fertitta suggested that the fat ass could be a fishmen, which would make him the first fishmen marine we've seen iirc
Well, it's nothing new that most VA's are quite weak, i.e. Bastille getting no diffed by Sabo.
Now that the strength of the crew is much higher than the last time we saw a VA fighting someone, I wonder if Oda will actually give them some buffs like he did with Lucci.
What are your expectations?
Now that the strength of the crew is much higher than the last time we saw a VA fighting someone, I wonder if Oda will actually give them some buffs like he did with Lucci.
What are your expectations?
But yes, we're bound to get overall buffs for all VA. Vergo would still beat Robin and below and he was just a random VA not top 10 or so.
No.
Beat Smoker handily
Had Law on the ropes
Cracked Sanjis leg
Boss of Monet and Ceasar whom both beat Luffy
Beat fellow seat Corazon
Doflamingo thought Vergo was still strong enough to beat supernova and 400m Shichibukai Law
Partner level. Same as Beckmann, Killer, Rayleigh (arguably little brother Oden as well)
Strongest seat indicated by partner status
Fullbody haki
Robin, Franky, Brook and the rest need to say hello to their maker. Vergo is top flying 6 level. Can only see Who's Who matching him. Wouldn't surprise me if he could even give Jack a fight.
Beat Smoker handily
Had Law on the ropes
Cracked Sanjis leg
Boss of Monet and Ceasar whom both beat Luffy
Beat fellow seat Corazon
Doflamingo thought Vergo was still strong enough to beat supernova and 400m Shichibukai Law
Partner level. Same as Beckmann, Killer, Rayleigh (arguably little brother Oden as well)
Strongest seat indicated by partner status
Fullbody haki
Robin, Franky, Brook and the rest need to say hello to their maker. Vergo is top flying 6 level. Can only see Who's Who matching him. Wouldn't surprise me if he could even give Jack a fight.
Beat Doflamingo and Hancock's no diff hypetool handily
Smoker also beats Robin and below. He isn't weak, he just hasn't been as strong as Doflamingo/Hancock/Dragon/Ace/Law/Vergo. Everytime we see him he is stronger than before. And do pay attention to the calibre of people who have gotten the better out of Smoker. You can add Crocodile as well. Smoker is a bit rash but a power house none the less.
Squeezed Law's heart each time he tried to fight him and got popped the second he couldn't rely on that
So what if he was a bit weaker than Law with his OP powers? He still put the hurting on him. And it doesn't make anyone weak losing to Law who is 1 vs 1 against BB now.
Cracked Sanji's already hurt leg bone
Aha, so this is what it is about? Stop with your bias. He royally destroyed Sanji and the SHP would have had to look for a new cook if Vergo had not had to leave.
Boss of Monet and Ceasar whom both lost to Luffy
Now you are just taking the piss. Zoro beat Monet, nog Luffy. And Ceasar KO:ed Luffy round one. Do you know why? Because he has a OP ability, just like Law.
Beat fodder Corazon
He was a seat. But even if it was nepotism you can only beat who is in front of you and Vergo sure did a job on Corazon.
Doflamingo thought Vergo was still strong enough to beat supernova and 400m Shichibukai Law and got proven wrong real quick
Again, so what? The whole series revolves around these 40-70 year olds that have gotten accustomed to the existing power levels. It's unheard of that 20-25 year olds come in and take those positions - until now with the worst generation. Even Rogers son Ace had to bow to the hierarchy but these youngsters don't.
Fullbody haki that got overpowered by PH Law
Yeah. Law was groomed to become the new Corazon and he actually achieved the level before anyone had anticipated.
Robin, Franky, Brook and the rest need to say hello to their maker. Vergo is nearly Brook level at most.
With zero haki feats, yeah, sure they are.
Let go of your ill will towards Vergo "The Sanji Breaker". Embrace his strength.
Smoker also beats Robin and below. He isn't weak, he just hasn't been as strong as Doflamingo/Hancock/Dragon/Ace/Law/Vergo. Everytime we see him he is stronger than before. And do pay attention to the calibre of people who have gotten the better out of Smoker. You can add Crocodile as well. Smoker is a bit rash but a power house none the less.
Squeezed Law's heart each time he tried to fight him and got popped the second he couldn't rely on that
So what if he was a bit weaker than Law with his OP powers? He still put the hurting on him. And it doesn't make anyone weak losing to Law who is 1 vs 1 against BB now.
Cracked Sanji's already hurt leg bone
Aha, so this is what it is about? Stop with your bias. He royally destroyed Sanji and the SHP would have had to look for a new cook if Vergo had not had to leave.
Boss of Monet and Ceasar whom both lost to Luffy
Now you are just taking the piss. Zoro beat Monet, nog Luffy. And Ceasar KO:ed Luffy round one. Do you know why? Because he has a OP ability, just like Law.
Beat fodder Corazon
He was a seat. But even if it was nepotism you can only beat who is in front of you and Vergo sure did a job on Corazon.
Doflamingo thought Vergo was still strong enough to beat supernova and 400m Shichibukai Law and got proven wrong real quick
Again, so what? The whole series revolves around these 40-70 year olds that have gotten accustomed to the existing power levels. It's unheard of that 20-25 year olds come in and take those positions - until now with the worst generation. Even Rogers son Ace had to bow to the hierarchy but these youngsters don't.
Fullbody haki that got overpowered by PH Law
Yeah. Law was groomed to become the new Corazon and he actually achieved the level before anyone had anticipated.
Robin, Franky, Brook and the rest need to say hello to their maker. Vergo is nearly Brook level at most.
With zero haki feats, yeah, sure they are.
Let go of your ill will towards Vergo "The Sanji Breaker". Embrace his strength.
I think VAs have a wide spread of power levels like the Warlords though not as extreme as Mihawk and Buggy. From fodders like Maynard to Admiral candidates and Garp.
I don't know if you have read Kingdom but the Generals and their subordinates sort of resemble this where there are strategists who have higher or same ranks as other generals and ranks but are individually weaker than people on the same or rank or even below them.
Basically until VAs your individual power level does not matter as significantly as it does for Admirals. If you have other skills like intelligence, charisma etc. which shows that you can take command of units then you can get to the VA position. However, for the Admiral rank you need to be a total power house.
At the end though it is just me trying to make sense of the big gap in power level in the VA ranks. Maybe some Admiral bros can shed more light on this. @Elder Lee Hung @MarineHQ @SakazOuki
I don't know if you have read Kingdom but the Generals and their subordinates sort of resemble this where there are strategists who have higher or same ranks as other generals and ranks but are individually weaker than people on the same or rank or even below them.
Basically until VAs your individual power level does not matter as significantly as it does for Admirals. If you have other skills like intelligence, charisma etc. which shows that you can take command of units then you can get to the VA position. However, for the Admiral rank you need to be a total power house.
At the end though it is just me trying to make sense of the big gap in power level in the VA ranks. Maybe some Admiral bros can shed more light on this. @Elder Lee Hung @MarineHQ @SakazOuki
Even the 2200-600 is quite extreme, one is almost 4 times stronger than the other. Looking at pirate crews we have titanic captains of BB ranging from Shiryu/Aokiji to Doc Q. We have nine senior officers of SHPs from Zoro to Usopp/Nami.
Oda messed up the power scaling or was limited by the navy ranks of Japan. Captain - Rear Admiral - Vice Admiral - Admiral - Fleet Admiral - Commander in Chief.
Smoker and Hina were the captains and then we got to SA where Drake is the ex Rear Admiral. After that to keep the stakes high we get VAs like Vergo and Smoker. The problem is that from VA to Admiral there is no rank in between. Maybe if Oda had limited Drake to Captain and kept Vergo and Smoker to Rear Admiral then the VAs could be shown more powerful. What was the point of having Maynard as a Vice Admiral or even Bastille?
Oda messed up the power scaling or was limited by the navy ranks of Japan. Captain - Rear Admiral - Vice Admiral - Admiral - Fleet Admiral - Commander in Chief.
Smoker and Hina were the captains and then we got to SA where Drake is the ex Rear Admiral. After that to keep the stakes high we get VAs like Vergo and Smoker. The problem is that from VA to Admiral there is no rank in between. Maybe if Oda had limited Drake to Captain and kept Vergo and Smoker to Rear Admiral then the VAs could be shown more powerful. What was the point of having Maynard as a Vice Admiral or even Bastille?
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No, I think its quite reasonable with regards to the usual power scaling in One Piece. Look at original Shichibukai + Buggy.
4000-level
Lucci = Mihawk
2200-level
Kaku, Jabra = Doflamingo, Kuma
800-level
Blueno, Kumadori, Chapapa = Jinbei, Hancock, Crocodile
600-level
Kaliffa = Moriah
9-level (joke)
Spandam = Buggy
BB, Weevil, Law are all probably 2000-4000 level, Ace would have been as well. Hawkins was supposed to be a Shichibukai I read once, he would be 600-level.
4000-level
Lucci = Mihawk
2200-level
Kaku, Jabra = Doflamingo, Kuma
800-level
Blueno, Kumadori, Chapapa = Jinbei, Hancock, Crocodile
600-level
Kaliffa = Moriah
9-level (joke)
Spandam = Buggy
BB, Weevil, Law are all probably 2000-4000 level, Ace would have been as well. Hawkins was supposed to be a Shichibukai I read once, he would be 600-level.
We will see some YC tier VAs. I did a whole thread on this.