Character Discussion Egghead arc VAs.

Toryu

Toryu

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#22
#22
Is way too late for VA hype, their performance so far has been horrendous, and all fodder.

I will be gladly take this L if Oda decides to give them the rarest of all W ( VA never took one)
 
Sir Tuna Sandwich II

Sir Tuna Sandwich II

SII - Sakazuki Incinerate Imu
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#24
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Blazing Lion said:
I think VAs have a wide spread of power levels like the Warlords though not as extreme as Mihawk and Buggy. From fodders like Maynard to Admiral candidates and Garp.

I don't know if you have read Kingdom but the Generals and their subordinates sort of resemble this where there are strategists who have higher or same ranks as other generals and ranks but are individually weaker than people on the same or rank or even below them.

Basically until VAs your individual power level does not matter as significantly as it does for Admirals. If you have other skills like intelligence, charisma etc. which shows that you can take command of units then you can get to the VA position. However, for the Admiral rank you need to be a total power house.

At the end though it is just me trying to make sense of the big gap in power level in the VA ranks. Maybe some Admiral bros can shed more light on this. @Elder Lee Hung @MarineHQ @SakazOuki
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Vice-Admirals are loose equivalent of the headliners in the Beast Pirates, on one hand you have the likes of Holdem and on the other hand you have the Flying Six.
 
Paperchampion23

Paperchampion23

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Hako Sama said:
Well, it's nothing new that most VA's are quite weak, i.e. Bastille getting no diffed by Sabo.
Now that the strength of the crew is much higher than the last time we saw a VA fighting someone, I wonder if Oda will actually give them some buffs like he did with Lucci.

What are your expectations?

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If any of them are zodiac VAs, then they will put up a fight against Zoro/Sanji. If not, then they wont. VA Doll already isnt, so shes perfect for Robin/Nami/Brook

My assumption is the others on here also arent, but you never know if they are modeled after actors. Its possible Oda is also hiding them
 
PuckTheGreat

PuckTheGreat

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#32
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None unless they are named Momosagi or Chanton.
They are just gonna be used as hype tools for the SHs.
Hell some might even get taken out by the Sea Beasts b4 they even touch down on Egghead 💀
Bastille looked badass too until he got destroyed by Sabo. Maynard was even worse:josad:
Not really buying the Zodiac hype tbh. Only one I'm even remotely interested in is Doll.
Not really dissing the marines tbf, VAs just don't instill me with hype:catcry:
 
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Cozy Sofa

Cozy Sofa

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Blazing Lion said:
Hahaha, never saw it this way, some guys here would be real pissed where you are placing certain Warlords.

I am saying that for a similar rank like VA even the gap of 4x is too much of a spread from a ranking point of view. Can you see Admirals having such a huge disparity where 1 Akainu = 4 GBs?
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I can see Garp being 400x Maynard, 7xBastille and 5xMomonga without problem.

Also can actually see 1 Akainu = 4 GBs based on how Akainu took on all WB commanders + Crocodile and Jinbei without breaking a sweat. That man is insanely powerful, as Oda said: Akainu would find the One Piece within 1 year.

But generally I'd say Garp should be discounted from VA because he really is/was a fleet admiral or commander in chief based on strength alone. Among VA I'm certain you have quite the gap. If we go by the same numbers as before

True Admiral+ (4000)
Garp

Admiral candidates (2200)
Gion, Tokikake, Kurouma

[Insert level: Strong VA (1500)]

Median VA (800)
Momonga, Doberman, Onigumo, Vergo

Entry VA (600)
Bastille, Smoker

Joke (9)
Maynard

I'd also like to add Strong VA (1500) for those between Admiral candidates and average VA, perhaps some on this list should be moved up or down its just to illustrate.
 
Kiiro

Kiiro

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#34
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Cozy Sofa said:
Beat Doflamingo and Hancock's no diff hypetool handily
Smoker also beats Robin and below. He isn't weak, he just hasn't been as strong as Doflamingo/Hancock/Dragon/Ace/Law/Vergo. Everytime we see him he is stronger than before. And do pay attention to the calibre of people who have gotten the better out of Smoker. You can add Crocodile as well. Smoker is a bit rash but a power house none the less.

Squeezed Law's heart each time he tried to fight him and got popped the second he couldn't rely on that
So what if he was a bit weaker than Law with his OP powers? He still put the hurting on him. And it doesn't make anyone weak losing to Law who is 1 vs 1 against BB now.

Cracked Sanji's already hurt leg bone
Aha, so this is what it is about? Stop with your bias. He royally destroyed Sanji and the SHP would have had to look for a new cook if Vergo had not had to leave.

Boss of Monet and Ceasar whom both lost to Luffy
Now you are just taking the piss. Zoro beat Monet, nog Luffy. And Ceasar KO:ed Luffy round one. Do you know why? Because he has a OP ability, just like Law.

Beat fodder Corazon
He was a seat. But even if it was nepotism you can only beat who is in front of you and Vergo sure did a job on Corazon.

Doflamingo thought Vergo was still strong enough to beat supernova and 400m Shichibukai Law and got proven wrong real quick
Again, so what? The whole series revolves around these 40-70 year olds that have gotten accustomed to the existing power levels. It's unheard of that 20-25 year olds come in and take those positions - until now with the worst generation. Even Rogers son Ace had to bow to the hierarchy but these youngsters don't.

Fullbody haki that got overpowered by PH Law
Yeah. Law was groomed to become the new Corazon and he actually achieved the level before anyone had anticipated.

Robin, Franky, Brook and the rest need to say hello to their maker. Vergo is nearly Brook level at most.
With zero haki feats, yeah, sure they are.

Let go of your ill will towards Vergo "The Sanji Breaker". Embrace his strength.
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Did you just answer yourself? And tried to refute your own arguments?
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Blazing Lion said:
I think VAs have a wide spread of power levels like the Warlords though not as extreme as Mihawk and Buggy. From fodders like Maynard to Admiral candidates and Garp.

I don't know if you have read Kingdom but the Generals and their subordinates sort of resemble this where there are strategists who have higher or same ranks as other generals and ranks but are individually weaker than people on the same or rank or even below them.

Basically until VAs your individual power level does not matter as significantly as it does for Admirals. If you have other skills like intelligence, charisma etc. which shows that you can take command of units then you can get to the VA position. However, for the Admiral rank you need to be a total power house.

At the end though it is just me trying to make sense of the big gap in power level in the VA ranks. Maybe some Admiral bros can shed more light on this. @Elder Lee Hung @MarineHQ @SakazOuki
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Vice Admirals are the base power for New World pirates. In the new world, most pirates have haki and many of them are hailed as Veteran fighters. While we had a hint that ViceAdmirals needs to have at least 1 type of haki.

IMO Vice Admirals are new world fighters, their power goes from Veteran to Admiral. We also have 2 type of Vice Admirals, from the Navy Headquarters who are said to be 2 or 3 levels above than average soldiers. So normal Vice Admirals are Veterans while HQ Vice Admirals are high tiers as the commanders, could be Yc3 to Admiral, reason Sabo could neg diff one, he might have been Yc3.
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Cozy Sofa said:
I can see Garp being 400x Maynard, 7xBastille and 5xMomonga without problem.

Also can actually see 1 Akainu = 4 GBs based on how Akainu took on all WB commanders + Crocodile and Jinbei without breaking a sweat. That man is insanely powerful, as Oda said: Akainu would find the One Piece within 1 year.

But generally I'd say Garp should be discounted from VA because he really is/was a fleet admiral or commander in chief based on strength alone. Among VA I'm certain you have quite the gap. If we go by the same numbers as before

True Admiral+ (4000)
Garp

Admiral candidates (2200)
Gion, Tokikake, Kurouma

[Insert level: Strong VA (1500)]

Median VA (800)
Momonga, Doberman, Onigumo, Vergo

Entry VA (600)
Bastille, Smoker

Joke (9)
Maynard

I'd also like to add Strong VA (1500) for those between Admiral candidates and average VA, perhaps some on this list should be moved up or down its just to illustrate.
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Akainu barely fought Curiel, didn't reach any other commander.
 
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Blazing Lion

Blazing Lion

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Cozy Sofa said:
I can see Garp being 400x Maynard, 7xBastille and 5xMomonga without problem.

Also can actually see 1 Akainu = 4 GBs based on how Akainu took on all WB commanders + Crocodile and Jinbei without breaking a sweat. That man is insanely powerful, as Oda said: Akainu would find the One Piece within 1 year.

But generally I'd say Garp should be discounted from VA because he really is/was a fleet admiral or commander in chief based on strength alone. Among VA I'm certain you have quite the gap. If we go by the same numbers as before

True Admiral+ (4000)
Garp

Admiral candidates (2200)
Gion, Tokikake, Kurouma

[Insert level: Strong VA (1500)]

Median VA (800)
Momonga, Doberman, Onigumo, Vergo

Entry VA (600)
Bastille, Smoker

Joke (9)
Maynard

I'd also like to add Strong VA (1500) for those between Admiral candidates and average VA, perhaps some on this list should be moved up or down its just to illustrate.
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I understand the point you are making bro, what I am saying is that the gap is too wide and seems nonsensical to me. It's like you can get to VA without a real power level requirement and then suddenly you need to be top 10-15 in the world to become an Admiral.
 
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