Powers & Abilities Enma is just a training wheel.

[Finalbeta]

He took it before he knew that was possible

This is not true. He acknowledged it long earlier in the story.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

This is not true. He acknowledged it long earlier in the story.

Show me? Because tengu didn’t explain the sword growing in rank till after Zoro took Enma.

 

[Rivaille]

The viz translation made it pretty clear that Zoro is holding Enma back and not that he is dependent on his power.

So I stand by what I said, Enma is a training wheel.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

The viz translation made it pretty clear that Zoro is holding Enma back and not that he is dependent on his power.

So I stand by what I said, Enma is a training wheel.

Viz made it clear Enma also has its own power that Zoro will need to unleash in order to hurt Kaido. And that what he does with that sword is not the same as what he can do with Wado. Therefore it’s a power up.

 

[kurwa]

The viz translation made it pretty clear that Zoro is holding Enma back and not that he is dependent on his power.

So I stand by what I said, Enma is a training wheel.

What are you talking about?
Zolo literally says "unleash Enma" how is that not depending on it's power????

 

[Jo_Ndule]

If enma isn't special and not a PU
Why doesn't zoro says " i need to unleash My swords? " "...my power "?

Enam is a PU
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What are you talking about?
Zolo literally says "unleash Enma" how is that not depending on it's power????

Imagije believing unleasing enma means unleashing just his own power

 

[Doggo]

"Gotta unleash Enma"
vs
"Gotta unleash my power/haki".

And you think the sentence that means he is holding back it's the first one?

TO BE FAIR, it can be true. It can just be Zoro who's holding back. Not the sword.
But MAN, Oda does a crappy job at writing it, and the only reason we have these "believers", is pure Zoro idolatry.
It's possible to reach the right conclusion with the wrong reasoning. Unusual, but still possible.

 

[Rivaille]

What are you talking about?
Zolo literally says "unleash Enma" how is that not depending on it's power????

No that means that he controls the sword too much. Which correlate for what we know about the sword prior to the fight.

The other translation implies that Enma have its own power which is not the case. It is Zoro’s own power.

 

[kurwa]

No that means that his control the sword too much

what

The other translation implies that Enma have its own power which is not the case

It is Zoro’s own power

If it was his own power, he wouldn't say "unleash Enma"
Does he say "unleash Wado"? Does he say "unleash more of my power" ?
Nope, it's "unleash more Enma"

It's clear that Enma is the reason Zolo was able to damage Kaido, otherwise he wouldn't exclude Enma

 

[Rivaille]

what


If it was his own power, he wouldn't say "unleash Enma"
Does he say "unleash Wado"? Does he say "unleash more of my power" ?
Nope, it's "unleash more Enma"

It's clear that Enma is the reason Zolo was able to damage Kaido.

He cannot say « unleash Wado » or « unleash Sandai » because the two swords do not require him to control them.

The whole schtick about Enma is that you have to control the sword everytime because if not it takes to much Haki from you.

Therefore Zoro cannot let the sword let loose like he does with Wado and Sandai. He has to control it all the time.

When Zoro will let Enma loose the sword will, as it did in its introduction, use Zoro’s Haki therefore it will be Zoro’s Haki that will cut open Kaido not the sword by itself.

 

[Doggo]

The whole "schtik" with Enma is that is sucks haki.
Sandai had to be "controlled" as well.
Which brings back to the point that he went to fight a yonko with a sword he still doesn't have total mastery over, then.
Dumb decision making.
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Unless, of course, the sword is INDEED a power up, and THE SWORD can allow him to cut Kaido, if he masters it, which seems to be the case.
Makes me lose a little bit of interest in his progression, but if Oda took things this way, it's just the way it goes. Not the end of the character for me or anything.

 

[Luffy bin Dragon]

Viz made it clear Enma also has its own power that Zoro will need to unleash in order to hurt Kaido. And that what he does with that sword is not the same as what he can do with Wado. Therefore it’s a power up.

What power?

 

[Fn Lucci]

Imagine taking away a national treasure that can kill a Dragon. Hiyori can just give Shusui to Zoro during the fight against Kaido and then return it after the war. One Piece writing at finest.

Uh, where were you when she explained that there's a curse tied to Shusui not being in place?

What are you talking about?
Zolo literally says "unleash Enma" how is that not depending on it's power????

If he has to unleash it, then IT is dependent on HIM unleashing. So that means he's in control

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Uh, where were you when she explained that there's a curse tied to Shusui not being in place?

Who gives a crap about curses? We are in the freaking war against a Yonko. There's literally no reason why Hiyori should take Shusui away in the first place.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Who gives a crap about curses? We are in the freaking war against a Yonko. There's literally no reason why Hiyori should take Shusui away in the first place.

During a war with Kaido, Shusui was lost. So take it back to war with Kaido...?

Not even like Zoro gives a shit. His swords aren't power ups or anything, lol

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

During a war with Kaido, Shusui was lost. So take it back to war with Kaido...?

Not even like Zoro gives a shit. His swords aren't power ups or anything, lol

East Blue Zoro = Current Zoro then?

 

[Luffy bin Dragon]

I understand the meaning of shuusui to the people of wano, and zoro leaving it there.
But did it have to be before actually freeing Wano?
This is the part that I feel is just stupid.

He tougt he could master it before the raid but he didnt
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East Blue Zoro = Current Zoro then?

So ignoring BOAT,flying slashs, haji etc.

 

[Doggo]

BOAT is kinda trash with Haki in play.
Same with Skywalk. Raid Suit flight is just superior.
Powerups getting irrelevant because of better powerups.

 

[Fn Lucci]

East Blue Zoro = Current Zoro then?

... No, because HE improves. Come on now.

 

[Thabeast]

what


If it was his own power, he wouldn't say "unleash Enma"
Does he say "unleash Wado"? Does he say "unleash more of my power" ?
Nope, it's "unleash more Enma"

It's clear that Enma is the reason Zolo was able to damage Kaido, otherwise he wouldn't exclude Enma

All we know is that Enma takes haki by force, so Zoro is constantly restraining it from sucking all his haki. Unleash Enma = Don't restrain it as much. Obvious stuff.