EOS: Top 10 Generals

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And I'm not saying she stagnated. I'm saying that at this point she was reasonably close to reaching her peak. Kind off like characters such as Yotanwa, Riboku or Tou during Coalition War. So at this point they still had 1-3 points more to improve, but not more then that. Her further growth would go more or less the same path as those characters.
Iron sharpens iron. Adversity, challenges and rivalries all have a meaningful role to play in developing talent, that's been touched on several times.


Ultimately, a Great General is forged by experience, so I don't think it likely a 6GG tier talent was close to their peak without 6GG experience, i.e. warfare at the highest level in terms of scale and difficulty.

It seems to me you're trying to find the logic in a system (stats) that is inherently arbitrary. It doesn't work.

In most of those battles she was on the offensive aiming either for key tagets such as generals heads or taking the city. Hango was a case where she was more causious, but from her perspective the battle was just geting started and she couldn't predict Ousen will get crushed this fast.
YTW being the aggressor in a conflict - which invaders typically are - doesn't mean her style is aggressive. She doesn't set the military agenda, she just executes it, and we've seen different looks from her in pretty much every battle. Not dramatic changes, per se, but her approach is not distinct its in aggressiveness.

Yotanwa was stated to control most mountain realms west to Qin and her terrain bordering Northern Horseman Tribes north. So while we never saw it on the map, if you look how large Qin is, her own state also had to be decent size.
I don't doubt that it was a decent size, but I am saying it wasn't really anything that the Qin would pay notice to, and they evidently hadn't because they were shocked by what they found (chapter 19 if you're curious).

YTW carved out her kingdom by consolidating mountain tribes under her rule and that is deeply impressive, but it should be acknowledged and kept with that context because it's not like she was a known quantity to Qin, much less actively resisting them.

Cool. I'm sure Yotanwa was also using sofisticated strategy and tactics during her conquests. In both cases we haven't seen those wars in action so I don't see how to compare their tactics other then using their knowledge stat as a reference.
It's not YTW I'm doubting, it's the level of competition and opportunity she had to develop as rapidly.

Kyou came up under Ou Ki's wing, and I don't think a man of his talents wasted much time on low priority tasks. She was slaying generals and commanders with regularity as a teenager and accumulated the necessary experience quickly.

I don't think YTW consolidating dozens (hundreds?) of clans into a kingdom provided that level of competition and experience even if I do actually believe she could've replicated Kyou's career trajectory.

And again, Yotanwa was doing the job of an general / great general since similarly young age, but since she didn't operate in central plains it wen't mostly unnoticed. I don't think Kyou was that special at all in the grand scheme of things. She was a prodigy for sure, but one of the many.
I don't think YTW had much, if any, experience with 100K armies, or even battlefields. Certainly not with any kind of regularity. That kind of stuff would not go unnoticed and the Qin would've undoubtedly done something about. YTW's place in the story as designed wouldn't really work if she wasn't a hidden gem in her own right.

Tou seem to lack personal ambition, so I don't think Hara wants him to stay around for long as a commander, but we'll see. As for the rest of them, yeah I think they will surpass Ouki as the future conquerors of China. They will likely never be as well balanced commanders like he was, but they are absolute cream of the crop specialists in their respective categories. We are still at early stages of conquest and they will have plenty opportunities to shine.
So I understand correctly, do you think they will surpass Ou Ki by the end of unification, or that being a part of unification is what will wish them ahead?

I certainly agree Tou won't hold on to his seat. Maybe third try's the charm for Kou Yoku and he's killed or retires due to injuries, but whatever the case may be, we know Tou's primer for being this unification game is Ou Ki, and he's personally been invested in the growth of the younger generations. GOAT shit.
 
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