Character Discussion EoS Zoro will NOT surpass or be comparable to Ryuma
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Well in speed, yeah Zoro´s more impressive, but isn´t Oden´s AP implied to have been much better then Zoro´s scar?
Well, by the time he fought Oden, Kaido was about as old as Shanks and Mihawk is today. I don´t doubt he got stronger since then, but significantly? Idk, seems like the implication is he was already around an emperor back then, and already had something like his invincible record. The flashback at least seems to imply he got stronger inbetween coming to Wano and God Valley
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Well, by the time he fought Oden, Kaido was about as old as Shanks and Mihawk is today. I don´t doubt he got stronger since then, but significantly? Idk, seems like the implication is he was already around an emperor back then, and already had something like his invincible record. The flashback at least seems to imply he got stronger inbetween coming to Wano and God Valley
Not exactly... They both scarred Kaido but there are 4 key differences;
1. Oden scarred a younger Kaido, Zoro scarred an older one. So fort starters, this Kaido should be stronger.
2. Oden scarred Dragon Kaido, Zoro scarred Hybrid Kaido. Which makes the version that Zoro scarred even stronger.
3. Oden was in perfect physical condition, Zoro had 30 broken bones and was pretty much at the brink of death. In One Piece, wounds have a direct impact in your overall fighting capabilities. So Zoro was actually nerfed during this feat.
4. Last but not least, after this, Zoro unlocked OCoA and ACoC. Two overwhelming new power up that made Zoro skyrocket. Luffy went from being folded in base to being able to land some very clean hits on Hybrid Kaido once he got ACoC, so the buff is significative.
Overall, I don't see how Oden's AP is better than Zoro's
1. Oden scarred a younger Kaido, Zoro scarred an older one. So fort starters, this Kaido should be stronger.
2. Oden scarred Dragon Kaido, Zoro scarred Hybrid Kaido. Which makes the version that Zoro scarred even stronger.
3. Oden was in perfect physical condition, Zoro had 30 broken bones and was pretty much at the brink of death. In One Piece, wounds have a direct impact in your overall fighting capabilities. So Zoro was actually nerfed during this feat.
4. Last but not least, after this, Zoro unlocked OCoA and ACoC. Two overwhelming new power up that made Zoro skyrocket. Luffy went from being folded in base to being able to land some very clean hits on Hybrid Kaido once he got ACoC, so the buff is significative.
Overall, I don't see how Oden's AP is better than Zoro's
Is there any reason to think he became significantly more durable? In The wano flashback, he was still 39, and had been through several execution attempts, and had his invincible rumor. If we were to make an assumption, this would most likely be around when he would be fighting WB/BM/Roger etc. Plus, we know he compared the Scabards cuts to Oden´s from 20 years, without making any distinction between his own durability at the time, implying Oden could have killed him currently.
To be honest, I´m just ignorant on this topic. Are hybrids supposed to be more durable, or just more efficient?
Well Oden had been fighting for a decent amount of time before doing the scarring, so I don´t think he was in perfect condition,
Since when? Characters usually show off their powers/AP at it´s highest at the end of the fight, usually when using their finisher.
Did Zoro not use Kings Haki when he scarred Kaido?
To be honest, I´m just ignorant on this topic. Are hybrids supposed to be more durable, or just more efficient?
Well Oden had been fighting for a decent amount of time before doing the scarring, so I don´t think he was in perfect condition,
Since when? Characters usually show off their powers/AP at it´s highest at the end of the fight, usually when using their finisher.
Did Zoro not use Kings Haki when he scarred Kaido?
It's a shonen, character's get stronger as they grow older and haki can also enhance durability. Believing that Kaido remained the same without growing a single bit in 20 years is dumb.
They were always portrayed as stronger and better from every single point of view. There wasn't a single instance of a full zoan being better than a hybrid in anything combat related.
There was a statement in early One Piece (against Arlong iirc) with him saying that if Zoro were in better condition/shape, he would've done better. So, to answer your question; since the beginning lol.
It's retarded to believe that a guy that's barely able to stand will have the same strength as someone in full health.
It's not very clear and even if he did, the difference between that poor instance of ACoC is far, far different from when he used KoH.
They were always portrayed as stronger and better from every single point of view. There wasn't a single instance of a full zoan being better than a hybrid in anything combat related.
There was a statement in early One Piece (against Arlong iirc) with him saying that if Zoro were in better condition/shape, he would've done better. So, to answer your question; since the beginning lol.
It's retarded to believe that a guy that's barely able to stand will have the same strength as someone in full health.
It's not very clear and even if he did, the difference between that poor instance of ACoC is far, far different from when he used KoH.