Character Discussion Eustass "Captain" Kidd - The Great Pirate

[Garp the Fist]

Him enduring more than one shot is stated by Hawkins who was looking at the scene, and he was mentioned after Luffy defeat (mentioning him as another CoC user)

Yeah, but this doesn’t change what I said. We’ve seen how Kid fights now. He uses a great big robot that would take the brunt of Kaido’s hits.

If anything it’s better hype for Killer.

Nothing that Oda couldn't explain with his permanence for 2 years in the NW or that he discovered it during his invasion of WCI

There hasn’t even been a hint that Kid is somehow aware of what Poneglyphs are, let alone the existence of Road Poneglyphs, or who possesses them. We’re talking about something that is one of the greatest secrets in the OP world.

With Law, at least, Oda have us hints that he had something to do with the D plot well before we found out he was one, when he said “the D’s will bring about a storm” after Marineford. Kid has nothing like that. Just look at Wano- Law went looking for Poneglyphs in Onigashima. Kid’s never even said the word Poneglyph.

Bounties are given by the events Navy assists to or is informed about. Navy was not present in WCI so the bounty was given by Morgan information (which pushed in calling him the 5th Emperor of the Sea)
Kidd actions in WCI didn't merge outside of Totland

Stussy was on WCI, and she works for the World Gov. It’s her testimony that will have led to the bounty, not Morgans.

 

[Rackham]

Yeah, but this doesn’t change what I said. We’ve seen how Kid fights now. He uses a great big robot that would take the brunt of Kaido’s hits.

If anything it’s better hype for Killer.


There hasn’t even been a hint that Kid is somehow aware of what Poneglyphs are, let alone the existence of Road Poneglyphs, or who possesses them. We’re talking about something that is one of the greatest secrets in the OP world.

With Law, at least, Oda have us hints that he had something to do with the D plot well before we found out he was one, when he said “the D’s will bring about a storm” after Marineford. Kid has nothing like that. Just look at Wano- Law went looking for Poneglyphs in Onigashima. Kid’s never even said the word Poneglyph.


Stussy was on WCI, and she works for the World Gov. It’s her testimony that will have led to the bounty, not Morgans.

It's better hype for both of them
Kaido is the WSC, normal metal wouldn't stop him from one shotting his opponent

I'm giving you this one, is probably too soon for associating Kidd to Poneglypes but Oda left what he stole from Totland vague.. what would have enough valor to invade an Emperor territory to stole it? The doubt about it being a Poneglyph is legit

Stussy only assisted the failed incursion and the Tamatebakko explosion, she didn't assist to Cracker defeat, Katakuri defeat and all the escaping sequence. What she saw (again, a failed incursion) is not enough to give a 1.5 bil bounty, otherwise Bege would've surpassed the billion too

 

[Garp the Fist]

Stussy only assisted the failed incursion and the Tamatebakko explosion, she didn't assist to Cracker defeat, Katakuri defeat and all the escaping sequence. What she saw (again, a failed incursion) is not enough to give a 1.5 bil bounty, otherwise Bege would've surpassed the billion too

Stussy left WCI at the same time Morgans did, she actually left with him. Everything he knew, she would know.

If you take the newspaper article aside with the bounty, Luffy was given his bounty for
-having the Grand Fleet. That’s something the World Gov didn’t know about when they gave Luffy his 500 million bountu, because it hadn’t been formed yet. So that’s true
-being sworn brothers of Ace and Sabo. True
-defeating Katakuri and Cracker. True

The only bit that Morgans exaggerated was that Luffy planned to blow up Totland, which he didn’t. But even taking that aside, Luffy’s individual strength and his powerful fleet and relationship with with Sabo are both true. He very much deserved his bounty, and Kid deserved his as well. What they get after Wano will also be correct and reflect both their true worth.

 

[Rackham]

Stussy left WCI at the same time Morgans did, she actually left with him. Everything he knew, she would know.

If you take the newspaper article aside with the bounty, Luffy was given his bounty for
-having the Grand Fleet. That’s something the World Gov didn’t know about when they gave Luffy his 500 million bountu, because it hadn’t been formed yet. So that’s true
-being sworn brothers of Ace and Sabo. True
-defeating Katakuri and Cracker. True

The only bit that Morgans exaggerated was that Luffy planned to blow up Totland, which he didn’t. But even taking that aside, Luffy’s individual strength and his powerful fleet and relationship with with Sabo are both true. He very much deserved his bounty, and Kid deserved his as well. What they get after Wano will also be correct and reflect both their true worth.

I probably missed the Stussy scene.
Btw I'm not calling out Luffy for not defeating Kata and Cracker (1 bill was derseved just for that) but with all chances nobody witnessed Kidd operation (proof is Caribou talking popular gossips about Kidd, promptly denied by the latter with the truth) and the fact that he injured a Sweet Commander quite gravely to let him steal what he wanted and go away should have made him earn a bounty around 800 mil during the 1st year of the TS. It didn't happen, for obvious reasons.
Same goes for the battle with the Red Hair Pirates, surviving something like that is enough for giving you a bounty boost (if witnessed, but seems like is not a known thing given that Caribou didn't know about it).
All this just to point out that Kidd had all the requirements to earn 1 billion + bounty during the TS if his actions were witnessed by Navy or someone who's not a pirate.
I'm leaving aside his violence/cruelty and the position he made for himself in the Underworld.

 

[Garp the Fist]

I probably missed the Stussy scene.
Btw I'm not calling out Luffy for not defeating Kata and Cracker (1 bill was derseved just for that) but with all chances nobody witnessed Kidd operation (proof is Caribou talking popular gossips about Kidd, promptly denied by the latter with the truth) and the fact that he injured a Sweet Commander quite gravely to let him steal what he wanted and go away should have made him earn a bounty around 800 mil during the 1st year of the TS. It didn't happen, for obvious reasons.
Same goes for the battle with the Red Hair Pirates, surviving something like that is enough for giving you a bounty boost (if witnessed, but seems like is not a known thing given that Caribou didn't know about it).
All this just to point out that Kidd had all the requirements to earn 1 billion + bounty during the TS if his actions were witnessed by Navy or someone who's not a pirate.
I'm leaving aside his violence/cruelty and the position he made for himself in the Underworld.

This is all headcanon.

Why on earth would merely wounding a Sweet Commander- not even defeating, just wounding- be worth 800 million? Luffy actually defeated Doflamingo and upset the balance of power and that was only worth 500 million. What makes you more of a threat, defeating a warlord and his crew, totally upsetting both the balance of power and the underworld at the same time, or hurting a SC- heavily implied to be Snack- but not defeating them? Only one answer to me.

Secondly, getting crippled by Shanks or one of his crewmates is not an achievement. There is no point trying to frame it as “well, at least he survived.” That’s nothing to be worthy of a bounty raise. This random pirate in West Blue here managed to do as much as Kid did against Whitebeard, is he worthy of a bounty in the multiple of millions?

And finally- there’s no proof that the Marines don’t know what Kid has done. He has a 470 million bounty. That’s higher than a hell of a lot of people. They clearly knew he’s done something. Just because Caribou doesn’t know what happened doesn’t mean that the Marines- who we know for a fact spy on the Yonko- don’t.

 

[Rackham]

This is all headcanon.

Why on earth would merely wounding a Sweet Commander- not even defeating, just wounding- be worth 800 million? Luffy actually defeated Doflamingo and upset the balance of power and that was only worth 500 million. What makes you more of a threat, defeating a warlord and his crew, totally upsetting both the balance of power and the underworld at the same time, or hurting a SC- heavily implied to be Snack- but not defeating them? Only one answer to me.

Secondly, getting crippled by Shanks or one of his crewmates is not an achievement. There is no point trying to frame it as “well, at least he survived.” That’s nothing to be worthy of a bounty raise. This random pirate in West Blue here managed to do as much as Kid did against Whitebeard, is he worthy of a bounty in the multiple of millions?

And finally- there’s no proof that the Marines don’t know what Kid has done. He has a 470 million bounty. That’s higher than a hell of a lot of people. They clearly knew he’s done something. Just because Caribou doesn’t know what happened doesn’t mean that the Marines- who we know for a fact spy on the Yonko- don’t.

Cause the wound wasn't a slash on the cheek for sure, otherwise how was Kidd able to steal something? The wound was sufficently grave to put him/her out of the game and let Kidd take what he wanted, at least the dynamic looks like this.. wouldn't make sense otherwise. Also, that happened inside Big Mom territory not in the Tea Party day so there are no reason for having journalists/Navy Soldiers there, hell not even Brulè didn't admit that (or didn't know what Kidd really did) why should anybody know about that?
Shanks battle circumstances are much less detailed, he lost an arm so must have been a huge loss, probably his "Sabaody", we know next to nothing about Shanks crew and their territories. Caribou being totally unaware of it (while being Mr. Gossip Girl) hints at it be unknown around the world.
All the things I listed are what made him stronger tho, in the successes and in the losses. What makes him derserve higher a bounty is that he never goes down and if he does he comes back, stands back up and fights you again like a raging bull, we saw this in his attempt to make a Pirate Alliance to take Shanks head and in now in Onigashima for Kaido.
The fact that he was reintroduced as the most turbolent of the Supernovas another time after the TS makes ring a bell already once, when we get the revelation that he made wild stuff of which the world does not know sends the message "this guy is worth more than 470 millions"

The guy in your panel: Beaten a year before, is now drinking his sorrows in a beer
Kidd: Beaten a month ago, is now on the rooftop of Onigashima to take his revenge

This is the difference

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

1. I think Kidd will play a major role against the Yonko like damaging one of them very badly.
2. Kidd will become a future Yonko like I have said many times before.
3. I think Kidd will still be relevant enough to participate in the Final War.

 

[Garp the Fist]

Cause the wound wasn't a slash on the cheek for sure, otherwise how was Kidd able to steal something? The wound was sufficently grave to put him/her out of the game and let Kidd take what he wanted, at least the dynamic looks like this..

Well, we don’t know do we? None of it was shown. For all we know Kid stole whatever he wanted, sneak attacked the SC and ran away.

The important thing is that instead of Kid saying “I beat a commander”, he only wounded them. That makes his achievement significantly less impressive than what Urouge managed.

Also, that happened inside Big Mom territory not in the *Censored for the glory sake of Captain Kid* Party day so there are no reason for having journalists/Navy Soldiers there, hell not even Brulè didn't admit that (or didn't know what Kidd really did) why should anybody know about that?

BM has regular Tea Parties. She had one three days after FI, which was before the one at Sanji’s wedding, we know she had one earlier than that where Capone came up with his plan to take out the Mother Carmel picture to weaken BM, and there was the one that Jigra didn’t go to because of his mother’s funeral.

There’s little reason to think that the Marines somehow managed to miss all Kid’s actions but still gave him a large bounty anyway.

What makes him derserve higher a bounty is that he never goes down and if he does he comes back, stands back up and fights you again like a raging bull, we saw this in his attempt to make a Pirate Alliance to take Shanks head and in now in Onigashima for Kaido.

What will make him deserve a higher bounty will be his actions on Wano, where he actually has some success.

 

[Rackham]

Well, we don’t know do we? None of it was shown. For all we know Kid stole whatever he wanted, sneak attacked the SC and ran away.

The important thing is that instead of Kid saying “I beat a commander”, he only wounded them. That makes his achievement significantly less impressive than what Urouge managed.


BM has regular *Censored for the glory sake of Captain Kid* Parties. She had one three days after FI, which was before the one at Sanji’s wedding, we know she had one earlier than that where Capone came up with his plan to take out the Mother Carmel picture to weaken BM, and there was the one that Jigra didn’t go to because of his mother’s funeral.

There’s little reason to think that the Marines somehow managed to miss all Kid’s actions but still gave him a large bounty anyway.


What will make him deserve a higher bounty will be his actions on Wano, where he actually has some success.

That's speculation on both ways, in my POV is impressive tho
And the fact that Caribou was talking false stories is an indicator that if something managed to become public was "Kidd losing an arm to a Sweet General" and we know this is false, possibly impacting his bounty too. Also is more impressive than what Urouge did if you look at the tempistics and the gainings.
Wano will be a success yeah, but his WCI was a success too, problem is that was probably remported a different story.