Break Week Eustass Kidd vs Big Mom: The battle of tarnished reputations
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The Mom is always gonna beat the Kid's ass 
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She can be present there. As O-Lin lol. Her time as villain ends this arc.
This may or may not be Oda’s intentions but, It’s kind of funny how Big Mom chased after Luffy and came to Wano because he and the twisted rumors ruined her reputation
but now instead of fighting Luffy she gets to fight a man whose reputation was also ruined by twisted rumors her and her crew put out. Kidd. Remember in Udon, Caribou implies that because of the false rumors that Big Mom spread in the newspapers about her commander ripping Kidds arm off and making him run away, his reputation is in shambles.
And we know that Big Moms crew was obviously responsible for these rumors spreading.
If Kidd were to be recognized as the main guy who “beat” Big Mom, he would be taking his reputation/glory back in a BIG way. Imagine if he takes her Yonko position...
This Kidd vs Big Mom matchup makes more sense the more and more I think about it. I think a pretty good narrative for this matchup has already been set up. The battle between pirates with a tarnished reputation fighting for glory.
Who will take their reputation back?
@rerere @Pantheos @Lukegranders @Pattoucco @Yubel @Zoro D Goat @Legendaryconquer#1 @LordVinsmoke
P.S, since I already know the Kidd haters are going to say the usual,
“Kidd is trash, he can’t beat 1 v 1 Big Mom.” and
“Luffy must beat Big Mom, side character Kidd will get knocked out next chapter.”
- I don’t think he will beat Big Mom 1 v 1.I think he will get plenty of help from other Supernova. But he will be the “main guy”
- I believe in the final battle Luffy and Kidd will fight BOTH weakened Kaido and weakened Big Mom in a 2 v 2. (Or 3 v 2 if Law is there). So Luffy will still basically beat her.
- I do think, Kidd gets recognition for taking down Big Mom and takes her Yonko spot though.
but now instead of fighting Luffy she gets to fight a man whose reputation was also ruined by twisted rumors her and her crew put out. Kidd. Remember in Udon, Caribou implies that because of the false rumors that Big Mom spread in the newspapers about her commander ripping Kidds arm off and making him run away, his reputation is in shambles.
And we know that Big Moms crew was obviously responsible for these rumors spreading.
If Kidd were to be recognized as the main guy who “beat” Big Mom, he would be taking his reputation/glory back in a BIG way. Imagine if he takes her Yonko position...
This Kidd vs Big Mom matchup makes more sense the more and more I think about it. I think a pretty good narrative for this matchup has already been set up. The battle between pirates with a tarnished reputation fighting for glory.
Who will take their reputation back?
@rerere @Pantheos @Lukegranders @Pattoucco @Yubel @Zoro D Goat @Legendaryconquer#1 @LordVinsmoke
P.S, since I already know the Kidd haters are going to say the usual,
“Kidd is trash, he can’t beat 1 v 1 Big Mom.” and
“Luffy must beat Big Mom, side character Kidd will get knocked out next chapter.”
- I don’t think he will beat Big Mom 1 v 1.I think he will get plenty of help from other Supernova. But he will be the “main guy”
- I believe in the final battle Luffy and Kidd will fight BOTH weakened Kaido and weakened Big Mom in a 2 v 2. (Or 3 v 2 if Law is there). So Luffy will still basically beat her.
- I do think, Kidd gets recognition for taking down Big Mom and takes her Yonko spot though.
Kid failed to beat One of Sweet Commanders while Urouge did that
His Arm was Cut off by Red-Hair Pirates & not BMP
He got crushed by Kaido & sent to Prison
His Alliance Failed because he Allied with a Traitor
His Vice Captain got humiliated by eating a Smile Fruit & surrendered to the Torture
He couldn't really Damage Kaido in Roof Battle & had to switch to Big Mom instead
And in the Span of 2 Years, he couldn't achieve a Bounty higher than 500 Million
I don't see the Rumors here, Kid indeed Failed his Journey so far because he didn't Prepare like Luffy
This is incorrect and everything else you said is irrelevant because those are not the nasty rumors surrounding Kid, every false rumor surrounding Kid revolves around Big Mom.
I'll make it easy for you:
Rumor: Kid went into WCI to kill Big Mom, got his ass handed to him, lost his arm in WCI and ran away
Reality: Kid went into WCI to steal something, Injured a sweet commander, successfully got what he wanted, left WCI
That's what @ReggieZoldyck21 was saying when he said false rumors.
Also I want to touch on the bounty point real quick. Yes, Kid has spent 2 years in the new world and has not achieved a bounty higher than 500 million. Don't you think that's where the rumors come in? If the events were reported accurately Kid would have pulled off a successful raid in WCI which would warrant a higher bounty than what he has, which is why he's upset about the rumors in the first place.
There's clear narrative reason for Oda intentionally writing Kid in a way where there are lies surrounding him which leads to him being upset about it. Saying surface level shit like, he couldn't do X or he couldn't do Y is not reflective of the narrative Oda wants to tell.
I'll make it easy for you:
Rumor: Kid went into WCI to kill Big Mom, got his ass handed to him, lost his arm in WCI and ran away
Reality: Kid went into WCI to steal something, Injured a sweet commander, successfully got what he wanted, left WCI
That's what @ReggieZoldyck21 was saying when he said false rumors.
Also I want to touch on the bounty point real quick. Yes, Kid has spent 2 years in the new world and has not achieved a bounty higher than 500 million. Don't you think that's where the rumors come in? If the events were reported accurately Kid would have pulled off a successful raid in WCI which would warrant a higher bounty than what he has, which is why he's upset about the rumors in the first place.
There's clear narrative reason for Oda intentionally writing Kid in a way where there are lies surrounding him which leads to him being upset about it. Saying surface level shit like, he couldn't do X or he couldn't do Y is not reflective of the narrative Oda wants to tell.
Most of what you typed is irrelevant to my point. The rumor was that Kidd lost his arm to Big Moms commander. And was run out of her territory without getting to see her. This rumor obviously paints Kidd as a loser here. As you can see in Udon by Caribou stating that his reputation was ruined by the rumors.
The truth is that he didn’t lose his arm to her commander, he was never trying to see Big Mom, and he actually stole something from her which was his objective, injured her commander and left. This paints an entirely different narrative. This narrative actually paints Kidd as a winner.
The rumors is all this post is about. All that stuff you typed about the rooftop, bounty, ect is irrelevant here. Go on somewhere with the Kidd hate, I’m not wasting time with that shit today lol.
Don’t even waste time with them lol. Anytime you make a thread about Kidd here that isn’t hating on him you’ll get the usual group that just ignores what you typed and just bash the character. This dude is bringing up the rooftop like that had anything to do with my post lol. They are so salty and desperate for some reason.
The truth is that he didn’t lose his arm to her commander, he was never trying to see Big Mom, and he actually stole something from her which was his objective, injured her commander and left. This paints an entirely different narrative. This narrative actually paints Kidd as a winner.
The rumors is all this post is about. All that stuff you typed about the rooftop, bounty, ect is irrelevant here. Go on somewhere with the Kidd hate, I’m not wasting time with that shit today lol.
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Don’t even waste time with them lol. Anytime you make a thread about Kidd here that isn’t hating on him you’ll get the usual group that just ignores what you typed and just bash the character. This dude is bringing up the rooftop like that had anything to do with my post lol. They are so salty and desperate for some reason.
If what i said was "Incorrect" then you're right to call it "Hate"
But it's obviously not
Your Thread is called "Battle of Tarnished Reputation"
Even with those Rumors, Kid's Reputation is Tarnished anyway so all my Points are Relevant
Oda included Rumors Concept to tell Readers that Kid can do more & perform better
I never denied Kid is probably Strongest Supernova that Oda added or that he won't Shine later & prove his Enemies wrong
But Oda also made sure Readers realize that Kid's Journey was a Failure to show us how Luffy's Preparation for 2 Years was Valuable
But it's obviously not
Your Thread is called "Battle of Tarnished Reputation"
Even with those Rumors, Kid's Reputation is Tarnished anyway so all my Points are Relevant
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Oda included Rumors Concept to tell Readers that Kid can do more & perform better
I never denied Kid is probably Strongest Supernova that Oda added or that he won't Shine later & prove his Enemies wrong
But Oda also made sure Readers realize that Kid's Journey was a Failure to show us how Luffy's Preparation for 2 Years was Valuable
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Ah so now there are rumors, even though you just said
lol
What you typed was irrelevant to the Kidd vs Big Mom rumors, which was the specific point of the thread. Caribou told Luffy he wouldn’t team up with Kidd because of his bad reputation. More specifically the false rumors about what happens with Big Mom is what is implied that tarnished his reputation.
I would reply to each one of the points you made about how his reputation is “already tarnished”, because most of what you said is either false like, “Kidd couldn’t damage Kaido”, or twisted to make him look bad like you implying that because he “couldn’t hurt” Kaido he “ran away” to go fight Big Mom. But it’s obvious you just wanted to hate so I’m done. Not even going to waste time.
lol
What you typed was irrelevant to the Kidd vs Big Mom rumors, which was the specific point of the thread. Caribou told Luffy he wouldn’t team up with Kidd because of his bad reputation. More specifically the false rumors about what happens with Big Mom is what is implied that tarnished his reputation.
I would reply to each one of the points you made about how his reputation is “already tarnished”, because most of what you said is either false like, “Kidd couldn’t damage Kaido”, or twisted to make him look bad like you implying that because he “couldn’t hurt” Kaido he “ran away” to go fight Big Mom. But it’s obvious you just wanted to hate so I’m done. Not even going to waste time.
The point is that Rumors are irrelevant to someone who had all those Failures
For example, the Rumors says that he lost his Arm against BM Pirates but in reality he Lost it against Red-Hair Pirates, where is the change? lol
Like if People heard that he didn't lose it against BMP & lost it against Red-Hair Pirates they will be like: "Oh he isn't as bad as we thought, he didn't lose his Arm against One of Yonko, he actually lost it against Another One of Yonko" lmao
What's the difference dude?
This is why i said there are No Rumors, because they don't really matter, Kid's Reputation is Tarnished anyway
People think he Failed against BMP which he didn't but he Failed against Red Hair Pirates anyway which they didn't know too
And you clearly overreacting because i never said "Ran Away". If you're insecure about Kid looking bad in Readers Comments then i apologize, i won't speak about him to you ever again. Apparently nowadays, giving your opinion about a Fictional Character is considered "Hate"
For example, the Rumors says that he lost his Arm against BM Pirates but in reality he Lost it against Red-Hair Pirates, where is the change? lol
Like if People heard that he didn't lose it against BMP & lost it against Red-Hair Pirates they will be like: "Oh he isn't as bad as we thought, he didn't lose his Arm against One of Yonko, he actually lost it against Another One of Yonko" lmao
What's the difference dude?
This is why i said there are No Rumors, because they don't really matter, Kid's Reputation is Tarnished anyway
People think he Failed against BMP which he didn't but he Failed against Red Hair Pirates anyway which they didn't know too
And you clearly overreacting because i never said "Ran Away". If you're insecure about Kid looking bad in Readers Comments then i apologize, i won't speak about him to you ever again. Apparently nowadays, giving your opinion about a Fictional Character is considered "Hate"
All Kidd did in the rooftop fight against Kaido was make shocked faces and you expect him to beat Big Mom?
Even fuckin killer looked better than him 😖
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Ok that’s a lie
Sanji actually does have a chance of beating king
But kidd ??????? No way in hell, definitely not soloing at least
Eh it doesn’t matter to me honestly which one sanji faced
Both king and queen are have similar portray
So im ok with zoro vs king and sanji vs queen
regarding kidd and killer
Killer at least injured kaido and made him bleed a couple of times
Kidd didn’t do that
Not saying killer > kidd obviously
but kidd needs to do something asap the guy is supposedly luffy’s main rival
Both king and queen are have similar portray
So im ok with zoro vs king and sanji vs queen
regarding kidd and killer
Killer at least injured kaido and made him bleed a couple of times
Kidd didn’t do that
Not saying killer > kidd obviously
but kidd needs to do something asap the guy is supposedly luffy’s main rival
Kidd and Killer both injured Kaido in chapter 1002. Kaido has the same reactions to both their attacks and nothing in the manga implies that Kidd was the only dude on the roof not doing damage. If that was the case it would have been obviously noted. To me it seemed that Kidd, Killer, and Law were doing around the same amount of damage. Luffy and Zoro were the only ones who clearly did a major blow.
There's no substantial reason to be so sure about Luffy defeating Kaido, let alone ZKK.
Albeit we can say that the former sounds plausible because of Zoro's words and the notion we don't know when and how he will be restablished (well same goes for Luffy), but the latter wields a lot of significance odds wise, since we know a few notions such as Luffy never killed if not inadvertently, Yamato should not kill their father most likely, Zoro's words yet one again, the Enma portrayal, Zoro introduced to the sufferings of the Wano inhabitants, his sense of responsibility, his promise and so on.
Albeit we can say that the former sounds plausible because of Zoro's words and the notion we don't know when and how he will be restablished (well same goes for Luffy), but the latter wields a lot of significance odds wise, since we know a few notions such as Luffy never killed if not inadvertently, Yamato should not kill their father most likely, Zoro's words yet one again, the Enma portrayal, Zoro introduced to the sufferings of the Wano inhabitants, his sense of responsibility, his promise and so on.