Powers & Abilities Exploring lnternal Destruction CoA for Swordsmen..

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

So if i understand correctly on those 2 things..

Are you saying that essentially imbuing Haki in your Swords is internal destruction CoA?...

Nope i am not

Are you saying that the fluffy purple stuff is only a visual representation that a lot of Haki is being channeled in the Sword but not in the Smoke itself?..

Yes the smoke itself could be it the visual representation of too much haki flowed out

The thing is with AdCoC they are not touching as well, which Zoro did touch through Haki lightning with Dragon Damnation..
And the trail pattern are different too..

You can to every trail and black lighting you can see different pattern but overall the same idea and the same scene. And no not every AdvCoC attack has to touch go reread wano again and see for yourself.

 

[Rootbeer]

es the smoke itself could be it the visual representation of too much haki flowed out

lt could but it wouldbe pretty lame..

You can to every trail and black lighting you can see different pattern but overall the same idea and the same scene. And no not every AdvCoC attack has to touch go reread wano again and see for yourself.

All AdCoC trails have similar pattern but Zoro..

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

lt could but it wouldbe pretty lame..

See but we have no clue so we can't just assume its something when it was hinted as its only an excessive use of haki since the only explaination we got at that point is Enma sucks too much.

All AdCoC trails have similar pattern but Pinzoro..

This is untrue tho. We can go collect every black lighting leakage and they will all look the same except one thing. Zoro never clashed with AdvCoC user so we can't find the similar effect of Roger vs WB or Luffy vs Kaido. But every other attack that had this black lighting leakage is the same to every character who used them Yamato Luffy Kaido Shanks Zoro.

 

[Rootbeer]

See but we have no clue so we can't just assume its something when it was hinted as its only an excessive use of haki since the only explaination we got at that point is Oden’s free power up sucks too much.

But you know it's not just for show you're hiding behind that argument.. Just like you say we can't assume, we can theorize and speculate and the most logic thing to believe is that the Purple Smoke is CoA based Enma's spirit.. Come on..

This is untrue tho. We can go collect every black lighting leakage and they will all look the same except one thing. Pinzoro never clashed with AdvCoC user so we can't find the similar effect of Father of the year vs Lakainu’s bitch or Ruffi vs Crydo. But every other attack that had this black lighting leakage is the same to every character who used them Yamato for Nakama for Nakama for Nakama for Nakama Ruffi Crydo Red Snitch Pinzoro.

Zor o's trails are static when koH is on.. AdCoC users trails appear briefly as they charge an attack and disappear..
l've talked about this but AdCoC trails are convergent.. Zor o and Co A trails are divergent because Zor o is not pressuring his personal range like AdCoC practicioners do..

Last chapter showed AdCoC does not touch.. Every major moments portrayed that.. And kid is not and AdCoC user..

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

But you know it's not just for show you're hiding behind that argument.. Just like you say we can't assume, we can theorize and speculate and the most logic thing to believe is that the Purple Smoke is CoA based Oden’s free power up's spirit.. Come on..

I totally disagree here. Why go out of our way to assume and theorize and speculate when the answer was hinted at that its just E n m a sucking out so much h a k i? What we should theorize is around the notion of the wasted h a k i aside from calling it something else.

I will explain myself here. The smoke is unknown to us and at least hinted at something towards "release of much h a k i" BUT the black lighting is known to us and what is it.

So you are giving L o R o more power than i am.. If the smoke is internal destruction going out that easily ALONG with A d v Co C... that easily... Do you secretly want L o R o more powerful than he is now?

Zor o's trails are static when koH is on.. AdCoC users trails appear briefly as they charge an attack and disappear..
l've talked about this but AdCoC trails are convergent.. Zor o and Co A trails are divergent because Zor o is not pressuring his personal range like AdCoC practicioners do..

They are exactly the same i don't know what you trying to talk about here. You talk like you actually know the pattern pixels by pixels and how L o d a intends to draw them ..

They are the same and it was shown to us multiple times by L a i do - L a m a to - R u f f y - L a n k s - L o r o - B i g m e m e.

Last chapter showed AdCoC does not touch.. Every major moments portrayed that.. And Deadass Ginger is not and AdCoC user..

Because its an air bar attack aka flying slash.

 

[Rootbeer]

I totally disagree here. Why go out of our way to assume and theorize and speculate when the answer was hinted at that its just E n m a sucking out so much h a k i? What we should theorize is around the notion of the wasted h a k i aside from calling it something else.

I will explain myself here. The smoke is unknown to us and at least hinted at something towards "release of much h a k i" BUT the black lighting is known to us and what is it.

So you are giving L o R o more power than i am.. If the smoke is internal destruction going out that easily ALONG with A d v Co C... that easily... Do you secretly want L o R o more powerful than he is now?

You literally say Enm a is sucking Haki.. And it goes nowhere?..
No only internal destruction overflow + base Co C.. l'm not giving him AdCoC..

Also Lao G in Dressrosa when he goes super sayan he's emanating Black lightning trails.. What is your opinion about it?..

They are exactly the same i don't know what you trying to talk about here. You talk like you actually know the pattern pixels by pixels and how L o d a intends to draw them ..


They are the same and it was shown to us multiple times by L a i do - L a m a to - R u f f y - L a n k s - L o r o - B i g m e m e.

You did not refute anything bro..

Because its an air bar attack aka flying slash.

No he closed in on him it was not a flying slash.. AdCoC swing..

 

[Score]

You're one of a kind @Rootbeer

 

[HA001]

You're retarded @Rootbeer

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

You literally say Enm a is sucking Haki.. And it goes nowhere?..

Yes it became smoke and smoke goes out the air for nothing.. Zo ro himself is saying that he releases so much and E nma isn't satisfied with him. There is no indicator of anything powering him up.

No only internal destruction overflow + base Co C.. l'm not giving him AdCoC..


Also Lao G in Dressrosa when he goes super sayan he's emanating Black lightning trails.. What is your opinion about it?..

J imbe i have emitted black lighting in a clash against w hos wh os. BUT guess what? they are smaller in size and GUESS what many other non Co C users have shown us these SMALLER size of black lightings.

ONLY Adv Co C users have shown us HUGE and BIG trails around their ATTACKS and THE AREAS. Which Zo Ro have shown us in his 1st and last attack on Ling.

You are blinded man.

No he closed in on him it was not a flying slash.. AdCoC swing..

The attack itself as shown from the original user IS an air bar/flying slash kind of attack. THE ones who called it an Air bar are the same ones who are now denying what S h anks did to Kid is the same Air bar/flying slash like Logers.

and you are so blinded you couldn't have named it anything else you called a "Swing" thank you for agreeing its a Swing of Adv Co C that releases a wave of pressure that CUT Mi ds gun.

Take a breathe and think about this for second lol.

 

[Rootbeer]

You're one of a kind @Rootbeer

Watch it i'm a Mo.d today..

Yes it became smoke and smoke goes out the air for nothing.. Zo ro himself is saying that he releases so much and E nma isn't satisfied with him. There is no indicator of anything powering him up.

Honestly my take is less wild than yours.. Saying that the Smoke is just visual effect for fun is bogus..

J imbe i have emitted black lighting in a clash against w hos wh os. BUT guess what? they are smaller in size and GUESS what many other non Co C users have shown us these SMALLER size of black lightings.

ONLY Adv Co C users have shown us HUGE and BIG trails around their ATTACKS and THE AREAS. Which Zo Ro have shown us in his 1st and last attack on Ling.

You are blinded man.

Well the official colors of that fight are not out so..

With not touching which Zor.o's Haki slash did because it's not AdCoC
Zor.o's Trails are not presssuring immediate space either which is a characteristic of AdCoC..

The attack itself as shown from the original user IS an air bar/flying slash kind of attack. THE ones who called it an Air bar are the same ones who are now denying what S h anks did to Kid is the same Air bar/flying slash like Logers.

and you are so blinded you couldn't have named it anything else you called a "Swing" thank you for agreeing its a Swing of Adv Co C that releases a wave of pressure that CUT Mi ds gun.

Take a breathe and think about this for second lol.

Shan.ks did the same attack than this but with a Sword.. Those are AdCoC and not touching..

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

Honestly my take is less wild than yours.. Saying that the Smoke is just visual effect for fun is bogus..

You giving Zo Ro a power up isn't a wild take? lol but me saying a smoke could be an indicator of wasted haki because it was hinted at in that same chapter is a wild take?

Well the official colors of that fight are not out so..

With not touching which Zor.o's Haki slash did because it's not AdCoC
Zor.o's Trails are not presssuring immediate space either which is a characteristic of AdCoC..

Zor.o's trails are not pressuing immediate space either which is a characteristic of AdCo C?

The sound effect and the trail came outside the dome. Take your time to find a way to say this is any different.

Touching or not touching is not consistent. You agreed before that Rangaraku the attack THAT luffy got the idea of Adv Co C from is an Adv Co C attack but you kept dodging the notion of it because the concept of Adv Co C wasn't revealed yet.

You can clearly see where the impact was and how it sent L uffy to the ground. Did he or did he not touch L uffy here?
There is another Ragnaraku against Funny L uffy later on and is very clear what happened but i want to see what you say to this.

Shan.ks did the same attack than this but with a Sword.. Those are AdCoC and not touching..

Has it ever occurred to you that it could be Lu ffy using both Ryu o and Adv Co C to create this gap in his attacks? when there are other attacks that simply hit Kai do straight on?

And since Zor.o isn't using internal destruction. Which we have no idea how it works on swords in the 1st place. And its a sword attack just like Ka i do or Yamat o are using weapons. Their effect is always different except when they clash against another Adv Co C attack that will create a gap between them using a club or a fist matters not using a sword or a glaive like R ogers or WB.

The Kamusari R ogers used against Oden is an airbar attack that touched Oden. Just like Zor.o's bird dance against K ing a flying slash attack.

The only difference is the impact shouldn't be like a blow but a cut. In both scenarios R ogers and S hanks hit their target but there was no slash on their bodies.. what is funny that even the dragon damnation that touched K ing had no marking of a slash on his body afterwards.. wow i wonder what happened there.

Anyways if you just go reread the whole fight of Lu ffy and K aido you will see for yourself on multiple occasions that both L uffy and Kai do touched each others with black lightnings attacks.

 

[Rootbeer]

You giving Zo Ro a power up isn't a wild take? lol but me saying a smoke could be an indicator of wasted haki because it was hinted at in that same chapter is a wild take?

lt does not have to be a power up.. lt's just admitting that Enma is exuding CoA on his own.. Where that excess CoA go.. Well
into the Smoke..

Zor.o's trails are not pressuing immediate space either which is a characteristic of AdCo C?

The sound effect and the trail came outside the dome. Take your time to find a way to say this is any different.

Yeah the trails are not pressuring they are diffusing.. They are going away.. They are not channeled toward..

Touching or not touching is not consistent. You agreed before that Rangaraku the attack THAT luffy got the idea of Adv Co C from is an Adv Co C attack but you kept dodging the notion of it because the concept of Adv Co C wasn't revealed yet.

You can clearly see where the impact was and how it sent L uffy to the ground. Did he or did he not touch L uffy here?
There is another Ragnaraku against Funny L uffy later on and is very clear what happened but i want to see what you say to this.

lt is consistent when it truly matter on the reveal.. That's all you should focus on..

Has it ever occurred to you that it could be Lu ffy using both Ryu o and Adv Co C to create this gap in his attacks? when there are other attacks that simply hit Kai do straight on?

And since Zor.o isn't using internal destruction. Which we have no idea how it works on swords in the 1st place. And its a sword attack just like Ka i do or Yamat o are using weapons. Their effect is always different except when they clash against another Adv Co C attack that will create a gap between them using a club or a fist matters not using a sword or a glaive like R ogers or WB.

The Kamusari R ogers used against Oden is an airbar attack that touched Oden. Just like Zor.o's bird dance against K ing a flying slash attack.

The only difference is the impact shouldn't be like a blow but a cut. In both scenarios R ogers and S hanks hit their target but there was no slash on their bodies.. what is funny that even the dragon damnation that touched K ing had no marking of a slash on his body afterwards.. wow i wonder what happened there.

Anyways if you just go reread the whole fight of Lu ffy and K aido you will see for yourself on multiple occasions that both L uffy and Kai do touched each others with black lightnings attacks.

Why would he Ryuo with AdCoC when hes the type of guy to test a new power out..
All lnternal destruction based Gear 3 attacks had the Name " Roc " with it..
Look at the difference of Red Roc on chapter 1000 and a simple Roc Gun with AdCoC on chapter 1036 is as strong if not more..
When Luffy used AdCoC for the first time there were no name attacks and still very powerful but nowhere near the power
of a Simple Roc Gun..

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

lt does not have to be a power up.. lt's just admitting that Enma is exuding CoA on his own.. Where that excess CoA go.. Well into the Smoke..

Enma is exuding so much CoA from Zoro. You are so blinded to your biased opinion because you fail to actually understand whats basic here. The only hint we have is wasted haki. And nothing have suggested otherwise.

Heck even Zoro indirectly confirmed this in his fight against King. Zoro stated that the Sword keeps taking his life away. Alright if Enma keeps taking more and you keep on saying the smoke is an ability. Why won't the smoke get bigger if it an ability and Enma keeps taking more?

Shouldn't that state the obvious here? What they hinted at from the beginning? Wasted Haki.

Yeah the trails are not pressuring they are diffusing.. They are going away.. They are not channeled toward..

Is that so... First of all you again fail to observe the panel and its sound affect.

The lighting has went outside where Zoro and King are and the sound affect suggest a loud noise on the right and a zap affect on the left where the lighting is headed. Measure how far that is 1st and it should very clearly tell you how pressured the area was.

Not enough? sure what did Zoro do in the 1st place? Give Enma all his haki which what it did is Coat his swords in black lighting and the smoke you love. The pressure enough knocked out fodders around them. And when he attacked King we got the panel i referenced.

lt is consistent when it truly matter on the reveal.. That's all you should focus on..

When it matters to satisfy your agenda? Alright i will take that then. If its only the reveal that should be untouched then every attack afterwards is not consistent including Kaido's Yamato's Luffy's and Zoro's ofc.

Weak excuse to deflect the obvious.

Why would he Ryuo with AdCoC when hes the type of guy to test a new power out..
All lnternal destruction based Gear 3 attacks had the Name " Roc " with it..
Look at the difference of Red Roc on chapter 1000 and a simple Roc Gun with AdCoC on chapter 1036 is as strong if not more..
When Luffy used AdCoC for the first time there were no name attacks and still very powerful but nowhere near the power
of a Simple Roc Gun..

Why wouldn't he? and how would you know? attack names? Sure but then what ? Do we know any non g3 Ryuo attacks? Or do we know for sure he isn't using them with AdvCoC?

Ok i have been saving this for later but how about this. What is the difference between Red Roc and Roc Gun?
Black lighting right?

If the black lighting on Zoro's swords are not AdvCoC and only Ryuo diffusion as you keep insisting on it. Why didn't we see those black lighting everytime Enma generated Smokes from Zoro's haki?

Why only after we see fodders getting knocked out and King confirms Zoro is a CoC user. Why do those black lightning keep surrounding Zoro's swords and haven't gotten away after fodders been knocked out? Why is the naming schemes of Zoro's attack have suddenly shifted with a King in their names?

You still haven't even acknowledged the fact that Luffy had a Ryuo flashback with Hyo in order to understand how AdvCoC works.

 

[park_min young]

Imo Shanks already showed internal destruction for a damage amp or at the very least has shown barrier haki. There is 0 concrete indicator to know when internal destruction is being used. We just know that Luffy used it against Kaido at some point, don’t know when. Internal destruction can be used with a sword theoretically, don’t know the purpose though except for added lethality maybe? via directly concentrating the damage inside organs.

Shanks was hella angry at Kid, Roger was testing Oden. Also, Shanks’ kamusari looks like it has acoa on top of acoc, just look at the inital impact. We can also see the no-touch-effects along with black lightning after that first panel. Roger’s was just a straight slash, it made contact with Oden.

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Anyways, there’s no hard evidence to confirm who’s attack was stronger in the first place.