General & Others Five Kages shits on the Yonkos... (excuse my language)

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
Lol you are continuing to talk in generalities. "Contradiction" this, "plot hole" that, lmao. You said "I lost creditability"? You don't even know how to debate. I also find it funny you are making fun of Naruto using raseigan a lot of times, whereas Luffy uses the same punches in every fight. Basically all the same moves but with different names.
Cool story bro
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
Your story isn't cool bro. You are crying and yet not providing any examples of anything. You are hating Naruto just to hate on it. You can't even admit Naruto has better pacing than One Piece.
That's true Naruto does have far better pacing. Oda suffers from bad pacing.
 
There is pretty much no consistency with anything in Naruto. Kishi can't even keep consistent with who the strongest Hokage was, he changed his mind every 20 chapters.

You gotta shut your brain off if you want to enjoy Naruto, it has great fights, some really cool characters, but everything around that was a dumpster fire of contradictions and plot holes. It doesn't help when your MC is one of the biggest contradictions in the show like you said.

It also blows my mind that in a show with so much thought put into the fights, you can summarize Naruto's fighting style with this one meme.

Naruto is an absolute tool of an MC. There's nothing likeable about him.
Kishi also couldn't decide if the villages are independent or belong to bigger countries. Sometimes it felt like the villages are the entire world and other times "actually they belong to far bigger countries" that we never actually explored
 
Soiruto sucks. Dont even compare
It only sucks when it comes to it’s portrayal of female characters

oh and Naruto’s annoying Sasuke obsession

Oh and the reveal that Naruto is special despite seemingly starting off as not so special and overcoming that through hard work
 
Overall naruto popularity shits on One piece

More views on youtube,TikTok and any platform, Naruto fanpages have more followers than one piece officals and Fanpages combined lol, Naruto is an icon for most regions while Its not same for one piece. Hell even boruto gets more fans/views/followers just because naruto appears some times, just check youtube instagram and everywhere and see how much of bigger fandom Naruto has. I love both, maybe One piece more but lets not be delusional
The Americas do not even have the same amount of people as those in Asia.
Also France loves One Piece. Even Macron is a fan of Oda luls.

You can say this and that about how many followers there are in a specific "region" but at the end of the day worldwide sales are in One Piece's favor. By a big margin. Like Guinness World Record breaking margin.

And objectively, OP sales eclipse Naruto's sales even at the height of their rivalry.

Those are some hard numbers you and the average Joe Schmoe can look up and not some subjective "well I think it is better because I just think so unquantifiable emotion/opinion NOT fact".
 
Who cares about Naruto being more popular in a specific region, One Piece's sales are twice Naruto's sales, which is made even funnier by the fact that Naruto has ended, and there's a huge influx in sales when a manga ends from people buying all the volumes at once, when One Piece ends it'll break records.

When both series were ongoing, One Piece was pulling three to four times the number of volume sales as Naruto consecutively.
Lol in Japan yeah but not in western regions there Naruto rules and if you look at the plot points until talk no jutsu Naruto was superior to OP all the way

By introducing the 4 Yonkos Oda created an fake hype and took a credit now a decade later he can't pay back that debt OP sales got down the ranking too all the hype is gone

BM can literally control the sky all she do is throw hakiless punches

Kaido can control several elements and is big and muscular so much potential but he got no hand to hand combat style just swinging around with his weapon
a plain fighting style no use of his elements just blunt force attacks lolv
 
The Americas do not even have the same amount of people as those in Asia.
Also France loves One Piece. Even Macron is a fan of Oda luls.

You can say this and that about how many followers there are in a specific "region" but at the end of the day worldwide sales are in One Piece's favor. By a big margin. Like Guinness World Record breaking margin.

And objectively, OP sales eclipse Naruto's sales even at the height of their rivalry.

Those are some hard numbers you and the average Joe Schmoe can look up and not some subjective "well I think it is better because I just think so unquantifiable emotion/opinion NOT fact".
Issue sales are not the only profitable measure regarding one manga. Pokemon is the most profitable franchise and is not because of manga sales. I have no doubt in my mind that naruto as a franchise has printed more money overall than one piece.

One piece is ones countries cult
 
Those naruto pannels look like shit
:suresure::suresure::suresure::suresure::suresure:
OPM, Berserk and vagabond has all shonnen beat to submission., but who gives a shit? go back to your boruto.

This is what peak shonnen looks like
as genius as togashi is when it comes to his mangas storyline and over all plot progression. i really can't say dsame with his art. sometimes it looks like it was drawn by a 5th grader.
 
Issue sales are not the only profitable measure regarding one manga. Pokemon is the most profitable franchise and is not because of manga sales. I have no doubt in my mind that naruto as a franchise has printed more money overall than one piece.

One piece is ones countries cult
You could have made a quick google search and saved yourself from being immediately proven wrong

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_media_franchises

One Piece:
  • Merchandise sales – $5.514 billion
  • Video games – $2.719 billion
  • Manga volumes – $2.707 billion
  • Home entertainment – $1.26 billion
  • Anime box office – $528 million
$12.7 billion

Naruto:
  • Manga volume sales – $1.637 billion
  • Licensed merchandise – $1.27 billion
  • Video games – $484 million
  • Anime box office – $147.1 million
  • Home entertainment – $89 million
$3.62 billion

Naruto has barely made a 3rd of what One Piece has and it's still ongoing
:lulz:
Also it's clear that from this, the only reason Naruto has even 10% of One Piece's popularity is solely because of the anime and One Piece's absolute disaster of a 4Kids anime which pretty much killed any western interest except some parts of Europe.
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as genius as togashi is when it comes to his mangas storyline and over all plot progression. i really can't say dsame with his art. sometimes it looks like it was drawn by a 5th grader.
To be fair those are all the chapter releases, for the volume releases he actually makes it look good.

Those are more like sketches
 
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