General & Others Five Kages shits on the Yonkos... (excuse my language)

@Pooth

So with all of that do you still think Naruto has done more than One Piece in terms of sales and popularity?
In terms of profit i can not prove the volitity of the source provided by @SkySanji . In terms of popularity would be oxymoronic to argue. Naruto eclipses one piece in most platforms. Narutos global influence is why most new mangas imitate it.
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Naruto has ended and it still eclipses one piece in popularity while one piece is on going.
 
as genius as togashi is when it comes to his mangas storyline and over all plot progression. i really can't say dsame with his art. sometimes it looks like it was drawn by a 5th grader.
His art is great, that is when he is not behind schedule and have to deliver warever the hell is ready just soo the chapter wont come out late.

I think thats the main reason we only get a HxH chapter once i a blue moon instead of of making Togashi follow a release schedule, even bi-montly dosent work for him. He is like the George R.R. Martin of mangas, he delivers good well written stories, but man, he's slow AF.
 
Lol chill. You can't compare a 200 chapter demon slayer and Jkk that just recently came out a few years ago to mangas like Naruto and One Piece that came out 25 years ago. That isn't a fair comparison hence why I choice Naruto to compare to One Piece since both came out at the same time and are both long running franchises.
When it comes to qualitative battle shounen manga with both good plot and battles, at least Demon Slayer clearly edges out both Naruto and One Piece despite it having less re-watch value imo. And besides, HxH was another example in case the Demon Slayer comparison doesn't work that well.

HxH you can compare to Naruto and One Piece but HxH didn't have a linear story line like One Piece and Naruto. And yes HxH had a better power system than Naruto however Naruto is still far ahead of One Piece power system. Yes I am a narutotard, but I don't mind you talking bad about Naruto, I enjoy constructive criticisms because I know Naruto had a lot of issues, however you One Piece fanboys can't take even the slightest of criticism.
What exactly do you mean "HxH didn't have a linear story"? Only because it's not utterly linear like One Piece and Naruto, doesn't mean we cannot compare their stories. Even the best arcs of OP and Naruto do not come close to the Chimera Ant arc in terms of writing. HxH world-building is great as well, not as great as One Piece' but greater than Naruto's.

In comparison to Naruto and One Piece, Naruto has better fight choreography but worse world-building and more BS plots. You think Wano is bad? Try bearing Naruto's constant chasing and crying towards Sasuke for a huge part of Naruto Shippuden. And despite the battles having good choreography, Naruto's battles - the MC - were always bad. Deidara vs Naruto? No comment. Kakuzu vs Naruto? Forget that. The only good battle was Pain. Compared to Naruto, Sasuke had much better battles imo, at least in Naruto Part 2.
What I mean is, only because Naruto's battles have better choreography, doesn't mean it's automatically better than all OP battles. I enjoyed Luffy vs Lucci way better than any of Naruto's main battles bar Naruto vs Sasuke and Naruto vs Pain.
At the end, I hate comparing both mangas because you can always find flaws in both stories - look above, for example - yet both fandoms are so toxic when debating this stuff. You are not a very convincing critic if you purposely pick NARUTO as an example - because from what I can already tell, you automatically fell to nostalgia and cherrypicking.

Besides, a majority of the WG community highly criticized Oda and his BS Wano plots. Jack vs Inu is a prime example - and Oda's writing got shat on by many, including me bashing on it. Bro, I think you mistook us with redditors? A lot of us are not GODA dickriders but it's crystal clear when someone is pretentiously bashing a certain series whilst highly wanking the other one although the other series has a lot of flaws by itself already... How do you even remotely think your criticism is valid if you come up with Naruto? What's next, bringing up Boruto as an example or Fairy Tail? But unfortunately, Nardotards, including Pooth, are very good at it. People just grew tired of fanboys being hypocritical.

Well, at least you admit that Naruto ain't flawless, that's a start. But saying why One Piece doesn't have good battle choreography is like saying why Naruto doesn't have good world-building.

I do not think lee33 is a naruto fan. The one piece fans are hypocrites and we are pointing out how much oda is stealing from kishimoto.

There are sources where oda was envious of kishimotos success.
He is a Naruto fan unless you are blind and can't see it, lol. Well, we're not the ones signing up to Naruto forums and constantly bash how it's bad and why One Piece is much better than Naruto. Also, many here - as I explained above - highly criticized One Piece dozens of times. You basically say we don't allow any criticism although a lot of us would most likely get cancelled or banned in reddit for spreading any criticism towards Oda. Get that through your head.
Oda isn't also stealing stuff from Kishimoto, it's like saying Kishimoto stole stuff from Togashi. Ridiculous.

In terms of international sales, yes. About the rest, a few users already disproved your assertion, so I don't need to elaborate further.

Demon Slayer is a highly popular 'modern' battle shounen manga, I highly recommend this.

The mother of all chakra was a better villain than madara.
It perfectly sums up your credibility if you think the final character, being introduced at the last 50 chapters, is a better villain than Madara who was portrayed and foreshadowed as the big boss throughout the manga - it's absolute zero.
Hell, even Obito used Madara's name but apparently incompetent Kaguya is a better villain than Madara lol.
 
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First of all, Sasuke is not Naruto(Luffy). He is more like Zoro(also someone who doesn't have bullshit power ups but unlike Sasuke he is not a punching bag).

Second, you are comparing anime with manga in those images. I didn't read Naruto manga doesn't know how it compares to One Piece but anime wise they are pretty matched.

If you compare best fights from both like Luffy vs Lucci and Naruto vs Sasuke(Classic Naruto) they are pretty matched.

I guess overall Naruto has more good fights than One Piece but the top ones are the same level.
 
In terms of profit i can not prove the volitity of the source provided by @SkySanji . In terms of popularity would be oxymoronic to argue. Naruto eclipses one piece in most platforms. Narutos global influence is why most new mangas imitate it.
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Naruto has ended and it still eclipses one piece in popularity while one piece is on going.
You keep saying it "eclipses" One Piece on most "platforms" yet where?
Like have you ever checked the other platforms or even groups from Asia? Europe?

Like where I currently live, in Asia, we even have One Piece restaurants and merchandise stores. Bubble tea plastered with One Piece logos as well. To be honest, Demon Slayer is still the trend here but OP is still going pretty strong.

I have lived in the states almost my entire life. Yes, Naruto is more "popular" amongst the people over there in USA (key: comparatively anime/manga loving crowds are fucking tiny actually) but that shit is MINUSCULE compared to the things I've seen here. OP blows it out of the water. And generally people who don't even watch the anime muchless read the OP manga actually know what OP is. lmfao
 
It perfectly sums up your credibility if you think the final character, being introduced at the last 50 chapters, is a better villain than Madara who was portrayed and foreshadowed as the big boss throughout the manga - it's absolute zero.
Hell, even Obito used Madara's name but apparently incompetent Kaguya is a better villain than Madara lol
Madara got finessed by Tobirama every step of the way. At the end of the day madara had all of his clan killed while all their powers were seeked by his enemies. Even obito partook in the genocide of the uchihas.




keep saying it "eclipses" One Piece on most "platforms" yet where?
Like have you ever checked the other platforms or even groups from Asia? Europe?
It does. One piece is not more popular in europe than naruto
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https://epicstream.com/article/naruto-most-popular-anime-in-the-world
 
@Sentinel Naruto has lots of good fights :kriwhat:
With Naruto, you mean the protagonist? Part 1 Naruto had good battles but seriously, Sasuke's battles were so much better than Naruto's, look at Deidara vs Kakashi and Naruto or Kakuzu vs Naruto. Those two were major battles yet it was utterly boring, that's how bad it is. At least Naruto vs Pain was one of the best battles in Naruto.

Madara got finessed by Tobirama every step of the way. At the end of the day madara had all of his clan killed while all their powers were seeked by his enemies. Even obito partook in the genocide of the uchihas.
The fact that Madara is indirectly responsible for the creation of Akatsuki, since he manipulated Obito to such degrees, as well as him planning everything beforehand, even his resurrection. There's no doubt that Madara was really fleshed out, Kaguya is legit no comparison, she's that bad. I'd rather compare Madara and Obito when it comes to their villain roles...
 
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