Chapter Discussion For 100th time SHAKKI was talking about Supernovas not Straw Hat Crew

ShishioIsBack

ShishioIsBack

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This panel


She's saying Rayleigh is 100 times stronger than Supernovas (You Boys)
She literally says this after talking about Supernovas

She can see Nami and Robin, are they fucking boys?

Use your brain

Every Supernova individually was 1/100th as strong as Old and Rusty Rayleigh
Current Luffy and Current Zoro are as strong as Old and Rusty Rayleigh
 
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zerofifth

zerofifth

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Well if you read all of chapter 498 she uses the terms "you boys" and "you guys" when referring to the Strawhats and she could also be referring specifically to the ones that are at the bar, who are Luffy, Brook, and Chopper. Nami and Robin aren't in this chapter and Bonney is also one of the Supernovas which also puts a hole in your theory
 
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NotHereForSpoilers

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ShishioIsBack said:
This panel


She's saying Rayleigh is 100 times stronger than Supernovas (You Boys)
She literally says this after talking about Supernovas

She can see Nami and Robin, are they fucking boys?

Use your brain

Every Supernova individually was 1/100th as strong as Old and Rusty Rayleigh
Current Luffy and Current Zoro are as strong as Old and Rusty Rayleigh
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I was with you till you said zoro. Not insinuating zoro is weak at all but current zoro being as strong as old Rayleigh right now means he’s as strong as kizaru and that’s simply not true at this very moment
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Also a lot of you are going back and forth about is she meant the straw hats or supernovas in “you boys” but it really doesn’t matter because at the end of the day luffy is included in “you boys” in both scenarios meaning old Rayleigh was 100x stronger than luffy back then regardless of which group she’s referring to
 
Charlotte Horchata

Charlotte Horchata

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And base Luffy right after the timeskip was already faster than Kizaru.

Is this how it works?

Also, unless every Supernova was equally strong back then, the "100 times stronger" isn't perfectly accurate; hence why you aren't using your brain at inferring current Zoro (which is your actual agenda here) is as strong as old and rusty Rayleigh.
 
Blazing Lion

Blazing Lion

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NotHereForSpoilers said:
I was with you till you said zoro. Not insinuating zoro is weak at all but current zoro being as strong as old Rayleigh right now means he’s as strong as kizaru and that’s simply not true at this very moment
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Also a lot of you are going back and forth about is she meant the straw hats or supernovas in “you boys” but it really doesn’t matter because at the end of the day luffy is included in “you boys” in both scenarios meaning old Rayleigh was 100x stronger than luffy back then regardless of which group she’s referring to
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That's just cope
 
grey matter

grey matter

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kom5 said:
Because he equally fought the world's strongest being ?
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So?
Kaido went through the most impressive gauntlet ever while carrying an island across the sea, without rest.

Just because G5 can match or even possibly better Kaido in a fight doesn't mean Luffy is overall at that level. G5 is on a heavy timer. Same with G4, but with higher timelimit but still a time limit.
Overall, Luffy gets high-extreme diff'd in a pure 1v1 IMO
 
Blazing Lion

Blazing Lion

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NotHereForSpoilers said:
Explain
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Trying to put a cap on Zoro's power level based on nothing. This is the same shit that happened when the tag vs Seras was going on. Luffy and Lucci vs S-Bear, Zoro and Kaku vs S-Hawk somehow led to the conclusion that S-Hawk is weaker than S-Bear because Zoro and Kaku are fighting him instead of Luffy and Lucci.

Shakky was talking about you boys, she was talking about supernovas at that time. The whole thing about the supernovas was that they all had bounties above 100M. There was no way to correctly each novas strength at that time. It was just a rough estimate that all these boys are about similar in supposed strength because they all have bounty above 100M. And bounty equaling strength was also shut down by Shakky at that time otherwise people would estimate Ray's minimum bounty to be 10B (100M x 100).

Shakky was talking about the strength of characters in a group. Luffy is also talking about us but since the other novas are not with him and the whole chapter has SHPs remembering Sabaody so Luffy is talking about the SHPs. The only two people who are part of both groups based off statements of Shakky and Luffy are Luffy and Zoro.

So if Luffy is 100 times stronger than before and Zoro is also 100 times stronger than before and the reference time is Sabaody where both are grouped together by Shakky then what holds true for Luffy should also hold true for Zoro.
 
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Blazing Lion said:
Trying to put a cap on Zoro's power level based on nothing. This is the same shit that happened when the tag vs Seras was going on. Luffy and Lucci vs S-Bear, Zoro and Kaku vs S-Hawk somehow led to the conclusion that S-Hawk is weaker than S-Bear because Zoro and Kaku are fighting him instead of Luffy and Lucci.

Shakky was talking about you boys, she was talking about supernovas at that time. The whole thing about the supernovas was that they all had bounties above 100M. There was no way to correctly each novas strength at that time. It was just a rough estimate that all these boys are about similar in supposed strength because they all have bounty above 100M. And bounty equaling strength was also shut down by Shakky at that time otherwise people would estimate Ray's minimum bounty to be 10B (100M x 100).

Shakky was talking about the strength of characters in a group. Luffy is also talking about us but since the other novas are not with him and the whole chapter has SHPs remembering Sabaody so Luffy is talking about the SHPs. The only two people who are part of both groups based off statements of Shakky and Luffy are Luffy and Zoro.

So if Luffy is 100 times stronger than before and Zoro is also 100 times stronger than before and the reference time is Sabaody where both are grouped together by Shakky then what holds true for Luffy should also hold true for Zoro.
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You know what. You’re right that’s fair
 
kom5

kom5

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grey matter said:
So?
Kaido went through the most impressive gauntlet ever while carrying an island across the sea, without rest.

Just because G5 can match or even possibly better Kaido in a fight doesn't mean Luffy is overall at that level. G5 is on a heavy timer. Same with G4, but with higher timelimit but still a time limit.
Overall, Luffy gets high-extreme diff'd in a pure 1v1 IMO
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I don't think the clouds use much stamina they are clouds they float

Nika has a time limit prob but he can beat up Kaido he showed that he basically toyed with him
 
grey matter

grey matter

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kom5 said:
I don't think the clouds use much stamina they are clouds they float

Nika has a time limit prob but he can beat up Kaido he showed that he basically toyed with him
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Momouske completely ran out of gas pushing it for just like 1 km. Kaido pushed it for like 100 kms.
And again, Kaido fought non stop for the whole raid, against multiple fighters and three rounds against Luffy himself. Luffy alone isn't defeating Kaido

Gear 5 "toyed" with Kaido only in the first few minutes, when Kaido was completely caught off guard by the ridiculous nature of G5's fighting style. After which it turned into a more even fight, leaning towards Kaido's favour.
Kaido even "won" the first round of him vs G5, where Luffy had to forcibly pump himself up to start gear 5 for another round.

Kaido can easily fight for a couple of rounds of gear 5, the amount of hax G5 takes and how much Luffy gets nerfed afterwards, makes it unreliable except for the finale.
And Kaido is outright stronger than any form aside from Gear 5.
 
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