Freedom itself is a restriction on freedom

[Bob74h]

Like as a infamous example, some guy refused to make gay wedding cakes for a gay couple
Which was a freedom he has, To make whatever cakes which he wants but at the same time him refusing to make a cake denies the freedom of couple to have that cake


if the right wing idea is that, everyone should be free without much or little government
the kinda libertarian idea


then how do you handle that issue of the freedom of one party restricting another
like as another example if a guy wishes to sex and every woman refuses then technically you are restricting the freedom of that man by not allowing him to do as he wishes


Same idea can be applied elsewhere too say you want to express an opinion but the majority silences you by peer pressure
I mean it's the majority freedom to dominate right but by doing so are not also restricting the actions of the minority

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Solution is easy: when you're gay, learn how to make wedding cakes yourself
This is what you're getting at, right?

 

[BleakAsh]

Absolute freedom is pure delusion

That is why civilizations that understood that debated ideals, science, and philosophy and not rights.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Bob....

 

[Joygirl1]

Sounds like a paradoxon to me but I still always prefer freedom over restrictions.

 

[Dickie D. Dick]

Cry.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Your freedom isn't supposed to influence others or take their freedom away. Having sex can't be a unilateral decision because it involves two people, so is getting a cake for your wedding or selling a cake. The seller can't force you to buy a cake when you don't want to buy it. Similarly, you can't force him to sell it when he doesn't want to. You have to find someone who's willing to do it for you.

 

[Seatonnes]

stfu bob

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

stfu bob

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[Seatonnes]

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[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

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[Seatonnes]

Nice!

I wanted to get the early spoilers and nsfw thread

 

[vikas]

Nah, that's personal freedom. One's freedom should be able to do something by themselves not depend or influence others.
The gay couple are able to order cake from anywhere that's their freedom. That particular cake guy can make cake or not(regardless of the reasons whether it's because they are gay Or his grandma fell down the stairs) he still has the freedom.
How do such discrimination get solved? There are laws. Based on them either they will be punished or if they think that what he is doing falls under his own private space then there won't be any law which could force him.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

I wanted to get the early spoilers and nsfw thread

I owned the nsfw thread in the VIP section.

 

[Midnight Delight]

I agree

 

[vikas]

Same idea can be applied elsewhere too say you want to express an opinion but the majority silences you by peer pressure
I mean it's the majority freedom to dominate right but by doing so are not also restricting the actions of the minority

You are not restricted to not express though. Atleast not by law. Freedom is there, you are not comfortable right now. Laws are not perfect they keep improving. Even gays had freedom earlier but had social issues at many places. So laws were changed or adjusted. Same will keep happening with Law. But freedom is not restricted by it. Like take Japan Or India gay marriage is still not legal, there are still social issues but lgbtq are still free they can do whatever they want openly without breaking any law or trying to force people to accept them.
Law is not needed for everything. There were cases which went to courts but were rejected because they fall under personal freedom not collective freedom where we take everyone as whole.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

it's because they are gay

It's a bit different when discrimination involves—there should be a limit to how far you can go. In this case, it's his business and his cake, and it's not the end of the world if he doesn't sell his cake to a particular group of people although it's something that should be avoided. In our country, for instance, there were times when people were denied access to water just because they were deemed unworthy or lowborn. Similarly, if the sellers denied selling basic food supplies to a particular group of people or community just because they're who they are, then that's blatant racism.

 

[Doggo]

Congratulations.
You've discovered the paradox of tolerance.

:cheers:

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Same thing applies to the abstract idea of "freedom".

 

[Blax Blah]

I disagree, theoretically many types of freedoms exist, this is even show in One Piece where Luffy represents freedom from evil and BlackBeard represents freedom to do evil, though in actual practice as seen in the show Luffy's freedom is an ideal that sets people free whereas BlackBeard's enslaves them.