General & Others French translation of Ace novel doesn't say Kaido is the strongest in 1V1 or invincible and says WB is the strongest PIRATE in the world.
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They are NOT beating Roger or WB 1V1.
Luffy in chapter "I'm the man who will SURPASS both of you and become the PIRATEKING".
Pirateking lvl = surpassing Kaido/BM.
Their durability doesn't matter vs Roger/WB because both of them will get past their tough skin and hit them just like any other man would.
WB punching Kaido and WB punching Shanks would do the same damage to both, WB ignores Kaido's skin with HAKI anyway.
Now their ability to tank that damage would be different but that's down to ENDURANCE rather than durability here
Luffy in chapter "I'm the man who will SURPASS both of you and become the PIRATEKING".
Pirateking lvl = surpassing Kaido/BM.
Their durability doesn't matter vs Roger/WB because both of them will get past their tough skin and hit them just like any other man would.
WB punching Kaido and WB punching Shanks would do the same damage to both, WB ignores Kaido's skin with HAKI anyway.
Now their ability to tank that damage would be different but that's down to ENDURANCE rather than durability here
You use novel french translations which are first not from the author directly and also are not specific on wordings but give a translation that embraces the context the best and make the reading the easiest possible. Novel translations are not litteral translations. Tho I would agree with you that Oldbeard could have been the strongest until he got sick. But I just think that novels in general should not be taken in consideration no matter what they state ( Big Mom strongest captain title mean nothing for example since WB and Kaido are also captains but also have a similar title )
Debating on translations has always been biased. For example here is how Scantrad traduces the end message of the chapter 1003.
For those who don't speak french it literally means "The two strongest stand up proudly"
@Extravlad
Debating on translations has always been biased. For example here is how Scantrad traduces the end message of the chapter 1003.
For those who don't speak french it literally means "The two strongest stand up proudly"
@Extravlad
no
Seastone even contained big mom
Oda went out of his way to say he has unparlled toughness
jozu durablity>kaido=big mom
jozu durablity>kaido=big mom
Jozu in base form doesn't have unparalleled toughness he is just a normal human.
With his devil fruit when he turns into diamond his durability is higher than Kaido and Big Mom in base form yes but Kaido and Big Mom's haki >>>> Jozu haki.
So Jozu Diamond Form + Haki is inferior to Kaido Hybrid Form + Haki and also to Big Mom + Haki since their defensive haki capabilites outclass Jozu by a landslide.
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I never claimed they beat Roger or WB i don't get your point lol. Maybe you're confusing me with someone else.
I know all that what you wrote and i see it like that as well but that doesn't change the fact that their durability is definitely partially a reason for why they are on the same level as roger and WB which is top tier level... there is no Pirate King level.
Durability is just as much of a factor in battle than endurance is.
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You use novel french translations which are first not from the author directly and also are not specific on wordings but give a translation that embraces the context the best and make the reading the easiest possible. Novel translations are not litteral translations. Tho I would agree with you that Oldbeard could have been the strongest until he got sick. But I just think that novels in general should not be taken in consideration no matter what they state ( Big Mom strongest captain title mean nothing for example since WB and Kaido are also captains but also have a similar title )
Debating on translations has always been biased. For example here is how Scantrad traduces the end message of the chapter 1003.
For those who don't speak french it literally means "The two strongest stand up proudly"
@Extravlad
Debating on translations has always been biased. For example here is how Scantrad traduces the end message of the chapter 1003.
For those who don't speak french it literally means "The two strongest stand up proudly"
@Extravlad
Also "two strongest" in that context would only refer to Onigashima, not to the whole world.
Secondly I never claimed the Novel translation was more legit than VIZ's, hence why I asked in the first post if anyone had the RAW so that we could see a bit more clearly into this.
That's why i said before i don't know yet which form is more durable hybrid or dragon doesn't really make a difference though.
One's defensive haki capabilities are one of the most important factors when it comes to durability.
So far Kaido and Big Mom have not made use of their haki to defend yet.
Kaido and Big Mom haki >> Jozu haki
Jozu diamond form > Kaido dragon form
Kaido dragon form + haki > Jozu diamond form + haki
Simple math.
One's defensive haki capabilities are one of the most important factors when it comes to durability.
So far Kaido and Big Mom have not made use of their haki to defend yet.
Kaido and Big Mom haki >> Jozu haki
Jozu diamond form > Kaido dragon form
Kaido dragon form + haki > Jozu diamond form + haki
Simple math.
Lol yes it fucking does refer to the Island. These final chapters teasers are never to be taken as factual statements and they're always limited to the context of the situation.
Plus scantrad is not reliable. They're the clowns who translated that "How high is your ceiling?" as "How strong have you become?" which implies Luffy is in the same tier as Roger/WB/Rocks and co
Plus scantrad is not reliable. They're the clowns who translated that "How high is your ceiling?" as "How strong have you become?" which implies Luffy is in the same tier as Roger/WB/Rocks and co
Thats headcannoning, we dont even know if big mom possess full body hardening like vergo and so I doubt it even more with kaido
As the author said once again
Jozu>Kaido most durable form which is full form no reason to be thinking a hybird would be more durable LOL
I dont know what you got this +haki thing from tho
As the author said once again
Jozu>Kaido most durable form which is full form no reason to be thinking a hybird would be more durable LOL
I dont know what you got this +haki thing from tho
From the fact that Jimbei blocked Big Mom's sword slash with his arms covered in haki it's obvious that haki is used for defense too.
Jozu has the toughest body with his diamond fruit but a haki slash like Oden's will tear through him the same way he tore through Kaido if he doesn't guard with haki since advanced haki attacks you from the inside so the durability doesn't matter much if your haki is powerful enough.
And since Kaido's and Big Mom's haki is without a doubt a lot stronger than Jozu's their overall defense is also stronger.
And they don't need full body haki btw they can just block like jimbei.
I think that protecting yourself with haki will defend you from advanced haki while normal durability won't save you from advanced haki.
Jozu has the toughest body with his diamond fruit but a haki slash like Oden's will tear through him the same way he tore through Kaido if he doesn't guard with haki since advanced haki attacks you from the inside so the durability doesn't matter much if your haki is powerful enough.
And since Kaido's and Big Mom's haki is without a doubt a lot stronger than Jozu's their overall defense is also stronger.
And they don't need full body haki btw they can just block like jimbei.
I think that protecting yourself with haki will defend you from advanced haki while normal durability won't save you from advanced haki.
in physical strength it said kaido> WB, but hes not the author because the ace novel just made weevil stronger than kaido lol
if mihawk slash wouldnt really work, and kaido got a huge scar but still survived , im pretty sure jozu would be fine have a scar like kaido tho sure! smaller yes
I mean Mihawk CoA> big mom and kaido just from black blading it
I know jozu can also do that, but you think kaido has full body hardening he doesnt
like oda said unparrlled toughness
if mihawk slash wouldnt really work, and kaido got a huge scar but still survived , im pretty sure jozu would be fine have a scar like kaido tho sure! smaller yes
I mean Mihawk CoA> big mom and kaido just from black blading it
I know jozu can also do that, but you think kaido has full body hardening he doesnt
like oda said unparrlled toughness
Mihawk slash was without haki.
Advanced haki bypasses any durability even Jozu's only their own haki can block against it.
True Mihawk CoA > Big Mom Kaido.
I don't think Kaido has full body armament but he only needs to focus his armament haki on his arms and block a slash and he would receive less damage than Jozu.
Advanced haki bypasses any durability even Jozu's only their own haki can block against it.
True Mihawk CoA > Big Mom Kaido.
I don't think Kaido has full body armament but he only needs to focus his armament haki on his arms and block a slash and he would receive less damage than Jozu.