Chapter Discussion Fucking first mate Zoro great advice bro

#10
That was a really shitty example by Zoro because Ace ended up dead exactly because of this mindset lol. Couldn't have picked a worse example.
Ace did not end up dead by this mindset at all. Ace died because of his own fucking stupidity. You dont play a losing battle and that has been said and shown throughout the story. Whitebeard took a risk by fighting the marines and that has been aknowledge. Ace took a risk by fighting blackbeard and that's why he ended up captured, Zoro doesnt want Luffy to repeat à stupid risk at the cost of the crew's security, figthing the NAVY HQ 3 weeks after fighting fucking yonkos is ridiculous
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#11
Ace did not end up dead by this mindset at all. Ace died because of his own fucking stupidity. You dont play a losing battle and that has been said and shown throughout the story. Whitebeard took a risk by fighting the marines and that has been aknowledge. Ace took a risk by fighting blackbeard and that's why he ended up captured, Zoro doesnt want Luffy to repeat à stupid risk at the cost of the crew's security, figthing the NAVY HQ 3 weeks after fighting fucking yonkos is ridiculous
No shit?
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#13
Ace's death was so forced :whitepress:
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Dont backtrack
Didn't backtrack anything. You missed the point completely. Trusting in Ace's strength got Ace captured and set for execution.

Reassuring the strawhats about Vivi's strength by bringing up the example of Ace when that situation ended up horribly made no sense.
 
#17
Didn't backtrack anything. You missed the point completely. Trusting in Ace's strength got Ace captured and set for execution.

Reassuring the strawhats about Vivi's strength by bringing up the example of Ace when that situation ended up horribly made no sense.
YOU missed the point brah. Zoro said that they'll pitch in eventually but hold off until the situation presents itself just like Luffy did with Ace and to hold faith that Vivi can hold on on her own until then l. Zoro is using Luffy's own word to confront him and level woth him so he doesnt make any rush decisions that could be detrimental to the crew. Now, Ace's faith had nothing to do with Luffy's rational decision back then so to put the vivi situation on hold is beneficial and a smart move from Zoro blah blah blah I win the argument
 
#18
Irrelevant. That was a terrible example to use. Luffy ignored and trusted Ace and that ended up with his capture.

Obviously Luffy can't control everything going on in the world. But Zoro couldn't have picked a dumber example to use to reassure the SHs.
That was a great example. When Luffy got an opportunity to help Ace he did and he actually saved him. Besides there’s no way to find out where ViVi it’s so Zoros right about it all.
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Ace's death was so forced :whitepress:
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Dont backtrack
The death was impactful in my opinion Ace just could have avoided it lol
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#19
YOU missed the point brah. Zoro said that they'll pitch in eventually but hold off until the situation presents itself just like Luffy did with Ace and to hold faith that Vivi can hold on on her own until then l. Zoro is using Luffy's own word to confront him and level woth him so he doesnt make any rush decisions that could be detrimental to the crew. Now, Ace's faith had nothing to do with Luffy's rational decision back then so to put the vivi situation on hold is beneficial and a smart move from Zoro blah blah blah I win the argument
Again, you missed the point. It's not about who is right or wrong in this situation, it's about reassuring people worried for Vivi's life by pointing out a situation that ended up in another person's death.

"Hey don't worry guys, Vivi is strong, have some faith in her"
"Remember the time you had faith in Ace which lead to his capture and death?"

Wow man so comforting, I definitely wouldn't be more worried for Vivi after hearing that. I hope you weren't reassuring people like this irl lmfao.

The only thing that can save this maybe is the viz translation, hoping this translation was completely off, cause that dialogue was wonky.
 
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