General & Others Fujitora vs Mihawk as conquerors
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Can't tell if this is a troll or not
Since when shanks visited wb's ship, he said he hasn't heard of shanks in a while
then immediately goes on to talk about him and mihawk's legendary battle
then assumes mihawk is possibly one of the reasons shanks lost his arm, and shanks had to clarify
Oda literally implies a 1v1v1 between Mihawk and two other conquerors, wb and shanks
Since when shanks visited wb's ship, he said he hasn't heard of shanks in a while
then immediately goes on to talk about him and mihawk's legendary battle
then assumes mihawk is possibly one of the reasons shanks lost his arm, and shanks had to clarify
Oda literally implies a 1v1v1 between Mihawk and two other conquerors, wb and shanks
-Mihawks Title screams Conqueror.
-Mihawks resume screams Conqueror.
-Wb saying "not many know nowdays about your legendary Battles with Hawkeye" is literally the biggest hype for Mihawk lmao.
-Oda calling Mihawk a Legend among men in the Sbs alongside WB.
You mentally ill retarted lowlifes in the commentsection who are dying out of hate towards Mihawk and keep sounding like pathetic little pissed kiddos is pure comedy to me
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-Mihawk is the embodiment of CoC energy imagine Zoro his studnet got ACoC but Mihawk as his Teacher who will be his EOS Opponent wont have it. Yall are reading with your Ass
-Mihawks resume screams Conqueror.
-Wb saying "not many know nowdays about your legendary Battles with Hawkeye" is literally the biggest hype for Mihawk lmao.
-Oda calling Mihawk a Legend among men in the Sbs alongside WB.
You mentally ill retarted lowlifes in the commentsection who are dying out of hate towards Mihawk and keep sounding like pathetic little pissed kiddos is pure comedy to me
.-Mihawk is the embodiment of CoC energy imagine Zoro his studnet got ACoC but Mihawk as his Teacher who will be his EOS Opponent wont have it. Yall are reading with your Ass
That’s fair
Tho personally still not 100% on either
Tho personally still not 100% on either
Fuji I can understand being skeptical with, whatever, but Mihawk LITERALLY has to have conqeurors for the story to make even a lick of sense.
Zoro (after scaring Kaido and bollocking a Yonko combo attack btw) and unlocking Advanced Conquerors coating and learning how to imbue it into his swords and then using it to defeat King literally goes "I still need to become stronger before I am ready to face Mihawk" pretty much word for word.
If Mihawk is not a conqueror and Zoro still sees him as this goal for him to surpass he literally breaks the setting Oda set up.
Hell, the way Enma was shown to work chances are Mihawk could not even lift Yoru much less use it like he does if he was not a conqueror. Its explictly the worlds strongest blade. No shot you can tame that sword without being a conquerors haki user.
Mihawk like the rest of cross guild gave up on his original ambitions for decades and settled for less
Zoro is unbroken and his dream to be wss is bigger than just him. He’s not only doing it for himself but he’s doing it for kuina and he’s doing it to help luffy become pirate king. He’s not just doing it to be strong for the sake of being strong him achieving it has more meaning than just being wss
Zoro’s willpower and ambitions > mihawks again someone that gave up and settled
Fair point with yoru tbh
But if he has it it’d likely be a similar situation to katakuri
Also fujitora has just as much of a reason to have it than mihawk. Has an extremely strong will and is extremely strong with a supreme grade weapon
Makes no sense to say he isn’t deserving if mihawk is
And again tbh for the most part most conquerors are tied to luffy. So them not being tied to him much just hurts their chances regardless plot wise
Zoro is unbroken and his dream to be wss is bigger than just him. He’s not only doing it for himself but he’s doing it for kuina and he’s doing it to help luffy become pirate king. He’s not just doing it to be strong for the sake of being strong him achieving it has more meaning than just being wss
Zoro’s willpower and ambitions > mihawks again someone that gave up and settled
Fair point with yoru tbh
But if he has it it’d likely be a similar situation to katakuri
Also fujitora has just as much of a reason to have it than mihawk. Has an extremely strong will and is extremely strong with a supreme grade weapon
Makes no sense to say he isn’t deserving if mihawk is
And again tbh for the most part most conquerors are tied to luffy. So them not being tied to him much just hurts their chances regardless plot wise
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How the hell did Mihawk settle for anything? He is arguably the ONLY guy in the entire setting that got his dream aside from Whitebeard when it comes to achieving his goals in life. Mihawk did not settle for shit. He was cursed with his only rival in life crippling himself all in a gambit on the next generation in the form of Luffy and has been depressed ever since, sure, but Mihawk didn't "settle" for shit.
Mihawks whole "thing" as a character is that its lonely at the top. He tamed the strongest sword. He became the worlds strongest swordsman. He climed the highest mountain, and found it lonely and sad up there without anybody worthy to push him of his pedestal/make him fight to keep it. He is in some ways a "serious" version of Saitama cursed to live in a world where, if his reaction to first meeting Zoro is any indication, most people aren't even able to kill his boredom much less get him interested anymore.
Plus, what is this fantasy where Zoros ambitions are greater than Mihawks and thus his haki must be too because he did it for Kuina/to help his friends? That is NOT how Oda wrote the story. Power of Friendship is not an actual factor for Haki power. Never was.
And even if it was? We know pretty much nothing about Mihawks past thus far besides him being betrayed by the Marines, having the title of Marine Hunter in the past, and his eventual ascension as a Warlord.
For all we know, Mihawk could have literally had Zoros exact life just without a clear "goal" to surpass since Roger/Whitebeard were either dead or dying by the time he hit his stride and his only rival actively nerfed himself so much that it stopped their rivalry.
Perhaps Mihawk also had a crew, a female rival, whatever. But its not like he NEEDS to have it either. Kaido, arguably the person with the most dogshit ambition in all of One Piece, has still INSANE haki and conquerors haki at that. His whole goal in life is literally just "I want to get killed by somebody stronger than me" and that is it.
No big goals of helping anybody but himself. No family he wishes to make proud. No friends he needs to help achieve their dreams.
Hell, the best argument anybody could hope for when it comes to Mihawk not having conquerors is that you can lose it if you achieve your dreams, but considering that never came up with Whitebeard despite him “getting” his dream of having a big family and instead his disease and age always being brought up as his one and only nerfs that seems rather stupid to me to.
Arguing that Mihawks conquerors status is in doubt is just weird to me. Especially after the intro of Enma in Wano.
Mihawk has the strongest blade in the entire setting hard confirmed by Oda. Enma, a sword that by EVERY metric should be weaker by orders of magnitude, actively kills people if they dont have the WILL to tame it aka strong conquerors haki.
If Mihawk was not a conquerors user and picked up a blade like Yoru by all info given to us from Oda he should have died long ago from Yoru draining him of all lfie force.
Straight up?
If Kaido can be who he was despite his only goal in live being a "glorious death" or whatever you want to call it? Mihawk can be a conquerors even if his only ambition in life was being strong. He does not need any more justifications than that.
Mihawks whole "thing" as a character is that its lonely at the top. He tamed the strongest sword. He became the worlds strongest swordsman. He climed the highest mountain, and found it lonely and sad up there without anybody worthy to push him of his pedestal/make him fight to keep it. He is in some ways a "serious" version of Saitama cursed to live in a world where, if his reaction to first meeting Zoro is any indication, most people aren't even able to kill his boredom much less get him interested anymore.
Plus, what is this fantasy where Zoros ambitions are greater than Mihawks and thus his haki must be too because he did it for Kuina/to help his friends? That is NOT how Oda wrote the story. Power of Friendship is not an actual factor for Haki power. Never was.
And even if it was? We know pretty much nothing about Mihawks past thus far besides him being betrayed by the Marines, having the title of Marine Hunter in the past, and his eventual ascension as a Warlord.
For all we know, Mihawk could have literally had Zoros exact life just without a clear "goal" to surpass since Roger/Whitebeard were either dead or dying by the time he hit his stride and his only rival actively nerfed himself so much that it stopped their rivalry.
Perhaps Mihawk also had a crew, a female rival, whatever. But its not like he NEEDS to have it either. Kaido, arguably the person with the most dogshit ambition in all of One Piece, has still INSANE haki and conquerors haki at that. His whole goal in life is literally just "I want to get killed by somebody stronger than me" and that is it.
No big goals of helping anybody but himself. No family he wishes to make proud. No friends he needs to help achieve their dreams.
Hell, the best argument anybody could hope for when it comes to Mihawk not having conquerors is that you can lose it if you achieve your dreams, but considering that never came up with Whitebeard despite him “getting” his dream of having a big family and instead his disease and age always being brought up as his one and only nerfs that seems rather stupid to me to.
Arguing that Mihawks conquerors status is in doubt is just weird to me. Especially after the intro of Enma in Wano.
Mihawk has the strongest blade in the entire setting hard confirmed by Oda. Enma, a sword that by EVERY metric should be weaker by orders of magnitude, actively kills people if they dont have the WILL to tame it aka strong conquerors haki.
If Mihawk was not a conquerors user and picked up a blade like Yoru by all info given to us from Oda he should have died long ago from Yoru draining him of all lfie force.
Straight up?
If Kaido can be who he was despite his only goal in live being a "glorious death" or whatever you want to call it? Mihawk can be a conquerors even if his only ambition in life was being strong. He does not need any more justifications than that.
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Where are you getting this Mihawk settled nonsense? Buggy just made a generalisation, that all pirates should go and try to take everything. He’s not speaking for Mihawk, Mihawk already achieved his goal and is suffering from success.
PL-wise, there’s no shot that Mihawk doesn’t have conquerors. Although the idea that someone without conquerors or df ending up above Shanks is pretty badass.
PL-wise, there’s no shot that Mihawk doesn’t have conquerors. Although the idea that someone without conquerors or df ending up above Shanks is pretty badass.
It’s pretty heavily implied that mihawk just like the rest of cross guild gave up on their original ambitions and settled for less. It’s only now that they’re all together they’re going to try to reignite their old dreams
Having a dream bigger than just yourself =/= power of friendship
Kaido wants to become pirate king and change the world. With him actively doing everything he can to achieve his dream
Kaido is ambitious beyond just being strong
- Mihawk just like crocodile became a warlord because he settled for less
- Mihawk and crocodile teamed up for their utopia plan because they were settling for less and didn’t think they could strive for more
- Mihawk and crocodile were okay with buggy being seen as the leader because they settled for hiding in the shadows and didn’t want the attention
- Cross guilds whole thing is middle aged men who gave up on their original ambitions and are just now going for it again
Having a dream bigger than just yourself =/= power of friendship
Kaido wants to become pirate king and change the world. With him actively doing everything he can to achieve his dream
Kaido is ambitious beyond just being strong
