[FNZ] Role Madness Game 04: Bleach Soul Society Arc

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and if the Ryoka are mafia, then what does it make Rukia? got my point finally? sorry for absence
I still think Ryoka are mafia, cuz the Royka defeat the Shinigami Captains before the stuff with Aizen happens so if they want to save Rukia from an execution, then it makes the Ryoka mafia in my eyes with an additional objective of saving Rukia, which is either a hidden mechanic or player.
And since the Shinigami Captains want to execute Rukia for being a traitor it makes sense for Rukia to be not white-listed in a universe where the Shinigami Captains are town.
That's why I clash with Beta, he follows the opposite ideology about this setup.
I understand now. But one more thing. Why does this clash in ideology equate to Beta being bad?
 
and if the Ryoka are mafia, then what does it make Rukia? got my point finally? sorry for absence
I still think Ryoka are mafia, cuz the Royka defeat the Shinigami Captains before the stuff with Aizen happens so if they want to save Rukia from an execution, then it makes the Ryoka mafia in my eyes with an additional objective of saving Rukia, which is either a hidden mechanic or player.
And since the Shinigami Captains want to execute Rukia for being a traitor it makes sense for Rukia to be not white-listed in a universe where the Shinigami Captains are town.
That's why I clash with Beta, he follows the opposite ideology about this setup.
Are you just then grouping Aizen, Gin, and Tosen with the rest of the captains?? :catrude:
 
We were more talking about the game layout based on theme then actual who would be who, no claiming or not, figuring out how many we can be up against is helpful. You're to dismissive of flavour just because no claiming.

As for MDL, nothing really, Rej's eagerness to lynch someone for protecting Rukia is suspect though.
I think he understood that I cut through his posts and he is accusing me of defending Rukia when that's the main reason why I suspect him. So he is trying to defend his version here, even though Mafia Rukia still holds no sense.

The phase is getting intense.
 

Rej

Year of the black beard!
I understand now. But one more thing. Why does this clash in ideology equate to Beta being bad?
because I am town and I don't like Rukia, she betrayed Soul Society by lending a mortal human her powers:whitepress:
I think he understood that I cut through his posts and he is accusing me of defending Rukia when that's the main reason why I suspect him. So he is trying to defend his version here, even though Mafia Rukia still holds no sense.

The phase is getting intense.
what I meant is Rukia could be an Indie or a mechanic that wins with mafia, if you still don't know what I mean:pepeke:
 

Rej

Year of the black beard!
Are you just then grouping Aizen, Gin, and Tosen with the rest of the captains?? :catrude:
depends, they could be that townies that turn over to their own faction...you know what I mean?
that's why I said midgame alignment changes could exist, because they are considered bastard, and what is possible to exist in this game? exactly! bastard mechanics! :funky:
 

Rej

Year of the black beard!
going to sleep will be unavailable for a while
let's find an alternate if you dont like my suggestion on Beta, I will be going to sleep sleep cu
 

Rej

Year of the black beard!
You crystal clearly suggested she is mafia aligned yes. Which is exactly what I don't find myself with.
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gosh, then Rukia is a town with a hidden bastard mechanic that helps mafia, could be possible too, we are here to gather ideas and not clash ideas, because here it becomes scummy:tchpepe:
 
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gosh, then Rukia is a town with a hidden bastard mechanic that helps mafia[/b♧, could be possible too, we are here to gather ideas and not clash ideas, because here it becomes scummy:tchpepe:
It's cute how you are trying to retreat your thoughts here.

First you lynch me while under my pressure because I'm defending Rukia too much. Now you say that you are here to gather ideas.
 

TheAncientCenturion

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There's a fair amount of Gotei 13 and others allied with the Ryoko to need to split them into 2 factions, ryoko and shinigami.

Tosen, Gn, Aizen would be mafia yeah.

Ichigo, Chad, orihime, urya, renji, yorichia, jushiro, shunshui gives you 9 right there.

Leaves 3 random people to pick from Kenpachi being his own thing
Perhaps Byakuya is a 3rd and one other.
Regardless if some Shinigami are pushed into Ryoko, I'm confident they aren't enemies to the town
 

TheAncientCenturion

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and if the Ryoka are mafia, then what does it make Rukia? got my point finally? sorry for absence
I still think Ryoka are mafia, cuz the Royka defeat the Shinigami Captains before the stuff with Aizen happens so if they want to save Rukia from an execution, then it makes the Ryoka mafia in my eyes with an additional objective of saving Rukia, which is either a hidden mechanic or player.
And since the Shinigami Captains want to execute Rukia for being a traitor it makes sense for Rukia to be not white-listed in a universe where the Shinigami Captains are town.
That's why I clash with Beta, he follows the opposite ideology about this setup.
@MonkeyD.Luffy's question eliminates the possibility for Ryoka to be Mafia. Stop that.

Ryoka are almost certainly either a town subfaction or a third party who doesn't openly conflict with town.
 
Let's pay attention here—goal of the Ryoka are to "save Rukia from execution". No one here has emphasized the importance of executing Rukia. The goals of the Ryoka and of the Gotei 13 do not conflict. At the very least, we can conclude that (if an ability), saving Rukia may require the demise of Kuchiki Byakuya. But I am not positive on that at all. It seems to be reaching massively.

I lean more towards Rukia being a win condition / requirement for the true Mafia and a town aligned survivor. Someone who has no role, probably no voting power, and if they die, the Ryoka automatically lose? I'm not sure if that's a standard condition for Mafia games, as it would imply an entire faction is undermined by 1 single player... Or the Ryoka faction is small.

My thoughts linger towards this being a similar situation as Dressrosa, where there were multiple factions that didn't immediately have a reason to go against one another.


So, let's take this statement apart, shall we?

If @MonkeyD.Luffy believes that the Captains of the Gotei 13 are Mafia, that would denote he is in fact not a Captain of the Gotei 13. He would not be comfortable making this statement if he (as a likely Ryoka) was blatantly scum. This is a statement born of confusion and not an attempt to redirect the conversation or a Mafia slip up.

It is my belief that this game will mirror the Soul Society arc in many ways.

In the Soul Society Arc, Ichigo and co. (the Ryoka) battled it out against the Gotei 13. But their objective was not to defeat the Gotei 13, but to rescue Rukia Kuchiki. Combat and fighting was a requirement in the worst situations. Ganju Shiba tried to free Rukia Kuchiki from her confinement prior to her execution, without battling any Shinigami. Their goal is rescue, not destroying the Gotei 13 (town).

The people who wanted that were those who contrived the arrest of Rukia Kuchiki—Sōsuke Aizen. Gin Ichimaru, Tosen Kaname—rogue Shinigami who plotted the downfall of the Gotei 13 in the shadows and used the Ryoka to sew chaos towards that end.

It is my belief that they are the Mafia in this game as well, mirroring their hidden role in the Soul Society arc. You might ask, "TAC, but Flower specifically mentioned the Ryoka in the intro post?" Exactly. This is a reference to the beginning of the Soul Society Arc where the traitorous trio were unknown. It also mentions "capture alive or dead" and is specifically to set the tone of the game, not to denote clear sides. This message does not mesh with the game mechanics and this isn't / shouldn't be used to define who is and isn't mafia.

It's a ruse. All of it, matching with the arc of Bleach this is based off of.

Now, this would mean the teams are likely;

3 Scum
Sōsuke Aizen​
Gin Ichimaru​
Tosen Kaname​
1 Independent
Rukia Kuchiki​
4 Ryoka
Ichigo Kurosaki​
Ishida Uryu​
Orihime Inoue​
Yoruichi Shihōin​
6 Shinigami of the Gotei 13
Byakuya Kuchiki​
Zaraki Kenpachi​
Renji Abarai​
Toshiro Hitsugaiya​
Misc.​
Misc.​
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Now, I think this mostly because the Ryoka & Shinigami will likely be numerous enough to clash / stir confusion over who is and isn't true town. I think this is the intention of the bastard abilities mentioned. But, I also think it extends further than that.

Looking at the likelyhood that Sōsuke Aizen is Mafia (and the game's equivalent to a godfather), we should look at his in-universe abilities. Maybe predict exactly what he can do, so we can gleam at what the player might be capable of? Kyoka Suigetsu allows Aizen to put anyone under a perfect hypnosis and manipulates all their senses absolutely. The only people who are not susceptible to this are those who haven't seen it—the Ryoka—whereas the Shinigami of the Gotei 13 are horribly vulnerable to this. For this reason, I suspect the Gotei 13 has 1 or more Investigatory roles and trying to investigate the Aizen player will yield no scummy responses. They will be clean.

It is also possible that the Aizen player may be "clean" until Day 2. IIRC, the manga, Aizen "died" in the first night of the Ryoka Invasion. After that, he plotted away whilst everyone's gaze was else where. So, even Night 1 Invest. results could be fraudulent.

Secondly, Tosen Kaname.. I'm assuming whoever plays Tosen will have a role blocking ability. In the manga, his Bankai stripped people of every sense they had. It's not an even, clean 1 | 1 fit, but I think it's appropriate. So anyone claiming such an ability, we should be wary of.

No idea what could fit Gin Ichimaru.

TL;DR: I have reason to believe, based off the manga information and the (intentional) disinformation from Flower that the Ryoka and Shinigami are not enemies. The Mafia is hidden, lurking out there, and we should be on guard for poor results at night. DO NOT instantly trust a cleared player.
Your basing this all of the assumption that shigami's win con is not to get Rukia executed. What if that is one of the win-cons. What then?
 
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