Character Discussion Garp & Roger - Fist & Sword - Epitome of One Piece

[GreenEggsAHam]

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This man is in classic denial expected from a yonko fan

someone saying that another is his business does not make them inherently equals, it only means having a goal to achieve. lol at the time it seemed garp wrapped his entire existence around capturing roger same thing for sengoku and shiki.

Shiki was never sengoku rival, matter fact its even worst on the roger/shiki for not being strong enough to capture the marines best force and break the marines will

himself up and shiki had to be tag teamed by the two of them. just to show how superior roger & shiki were compared to garp & singoku.

Typical casual yonko fan
-you obviously read marineford, the marines have to defend marine hq while restricting their power
-that's even worse on shiki for getting bodied like that he could've atleast made the admirals go full power but he couldn't
- Roger was not superior to garp nor sengoku, sengoku was whitebeard foe

 

[draganax]

Shiki was never sengoku rival, matter fact its even worst on the roger/shiki for not being strong enough to capture the marines best force and break the marines will

lol, why the hell would roger and shiki want to capture sengoku and garp, it's the marines who wants to capture the pirates not the other way around. besides roger and shiki had more important things to do than seeking a war against the marines, hell even prime whitebeard in oden flashback was running from a random marine battleship, then by your logic: random marines on a ship > prime whitebeard.
whitebeard said to oden that the reason they run from the marines is because their part of a big organization even if they took them down more will just take their place. it's annoying and a wast of time for pirate who have ambitions to fulfill.
why the hell would the marine hold back their strength and they're the ones who planed the whole war.

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

lol, why the hell would roger and shiki want to capture sengoku and garp, it's the marines who wants to capture the pirates not the other way around. besides roger and shiki had more important things to do than seeking a war against the marines, hell even prime whitebeard in oden flashback was running from a random marine battleship, then by your logic: random marines on a ship > prime whitebeard

Why are you trying to get your conclusion from that false, there all equals if roger n garp fought countless battles n both survived, if whitebeard n sengoku always acknowledge each other they fought none had the chance to capture/kill same with shiki
also capturing is much harder than killing, the pirates should be able to kill the marines have to capture

why the hell would the marine hold back their strength and they're the ones who planed the whole war.

Oh wow I'm starting to see you never read marineford at all, it was a execution never a war with whitebeard, whitebeard showing up would've caused war, we seen what happens when an admiral goes all out-punkhazard happens, obviously they were holding back but you just wanna display your headcannon/downplay to the admirals to make yonkous look better than they are as always

 

[vikas]

, I dislike Oda for selling so much hype of the character but today in more than 20 years of op

What about dragon

Its actually the same for all the legends who oda likes to Hype. We just have stories but no present feats shown.
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When I looked at how Roger and WB clashed in anime....and then I think about how Garp will fit in such clash against Roger...is he just using his fist.

 

[draganax]

there all equals if roger n garp fought countless battles n both survived,

yeah, if you can count naval chases as a full blown battles.

it was a execution

then why did they had marine ford packed to full capacity with marines from all the ranks, and requested for support from the seven warlords. even at roger's execution there was no big marine manes attending the event, not even garp or sengoku wich means shiki damaged them so badly they couldn't attend.:cheers:

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

yeah, if you can count naval chases as a full blown battles.

Wow, Roger words>your headcannon

then why did they had marine ford packed to full capacity with marines from all the ranks, and requested for support from the seven warlords. even at roger's execution there was no big marine manes attending the event, not even garp or sengoku wich means shiki damaged them so

No one knew shiki was coming to MHQ, it was a chance whitebeard would be at MHQ tho, also it's not a war so dont compare, I dont know what you're talking about but they held back and whooped shiki an equal of roger, you can be in denial all you want tho to push your agenda

 

[U c 4 up da idly]

yeah, if you can count naval chases as a full blown battles.

then why did they had marine ford packed to full capacity with marines from all the ranks, and requested for support from the seven warlords. even at roger's execution there was no big marine manes attending the event, not even garp or sengoku wich means shiki damaged them so badly they couldn't attend.:cheers:

Roger stated that he and Garp had nearly killed each other countless times there's no mention of naval chases pure head cannon form you.

Roger gave himself up and the Roger Pirates disbanded no one was comming to stop his execution completely different to mf when they were going to war with Whitebeard. Yet again more headcanon from you.

Pure copuim post

 

[draganax]

No one knew shiki was coming to MHQ, it was a chance whitebeard would be at MHQ tho, also it's not a war so dont compare, I dont know what you're talking about but they held back and whooped shiki an equal of roger, you can be in denial all you want tho to push your agenda

did you even read what i said, i was talking about the obvious difference between an execution and a declaration for war, roger's execution was held at the weakest sea in the world and attended by the common folks, while ace's was a direct provocation towardst whitebeard, and was held at the MHQ backed up with all the support they could muster (warlords, admirals, viceadmirals...) even garp said when he was asked about rayleigh that they cannot go to war against two legends. they had full focus on marine ford and the war against whitebeard, hell they were even broadcasting that shit to the whole world to see. every one knew it was a war, that's facts not some stupid agenda, and you can twist them however you want garp and sengoku are no where near roger, shiki and whitebeard in strength.
lmao roger said at least, means he was ready for a force even greater than garp and sengoku, i totally can understand why roger would feel offended if fodder marines tried to capture him, so so he named the strongest of them, not because they're equal to him in strength. but because they were the most famous.

 

[Salah WG]

I think the Goat Duo are obvious

Old Era --- Roger & WB
Current Era --- Shanks & Mihawk
New Era --- Luffy & Zoro

 

[draganax]

Roger stated that he and Garp had nearly killed each other countless times there's no mention of naval chases pure head cannon form you.

Roger gave himself up and the Roger Pirates disbanded no one was comming to stop his execution completely different to mf when they were going to war with Whitebeard. Yet again more headcanon from you.

Pure copuim post

roger didn't have to fight garp he had better things to do, on top of that he was pressed by time due to his illness. even prime whitebeard was running away from a random marine warship and his reasoning for that was not because they're strong it's because they belong to a big organization so taking them down will end up with just new one taking their place. roger pirates were gonna die in ed war if not for the storm who saved their asses. and shiki considered roger as an immovable obstacle in his path.
you should follow the conversation from the start to at least have an idea what i was talking about not jumping in at random statement and taking it out of context.

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

you want garp and sengoku are no where near roger, shiki and whitebeard in strength.
lmao roger said at least, means he was ready for a force even greater than garp and sengoku, i totally can understand why roger would feel offended if fodder marines tried to capture him, so so he named the strongest of them, not because they're equal to him in strength.

Even tho rogers considers garp a rival there not close in strength, lol this guy good thing admirals>yonkos in today era amright?
:risicheck:

hey cannot go to war against two legends

Acoording to knowledge of the manga, 4 yonkos with their crews=MHQ+ Warlords :cantseeme:

offended if fodder marines tried to capture him, so so he named the strongest of them, not because they're equal to him in strength.

If they want to capture him bring sengoku or garp, also roger had his crew lol
:shame:

 

[draganax]

Even tho rogers considers garp a rival there not close in strength, lol this guy good thing admirals>yonkos in today era amright?

roger's only rival was rocks d xebec and roger needed to team up with garp to take him down, sengoku said it himself so stop with the headcanon

Acoording to knowledge of the manga, 4 yonkos with their crews=MHQ+ Warlords

well they needed all of that against only one; whitebeard and his crew. and they barely won.

If they want to capture him bring sengoku or garp, also roger had his crew lol

it would take at least the two of them to bring roger down, a 1v1 win in favor of the marines is out of the question. they had to team up against shiki, let alone roger who shiki admitted was stronger than him.

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

roger's only rival was rocks d xebec and roger needed to team up with garp to take him down, sengoku said it himself so stop with the headcanon

lol what? headcannon perhaps his most formidable was rocks, maganzine even states garp his rival

well they needed all of that against only one; whitebeard and his crew. and they barely won.

This is what "barley won" looks like?

it would take at least the two of them to bring roger down, a 1v1 win in favor of the marines is out of the question. they had to team up against shiki, let alone roger who shiki admitted was stronger than him

Noo... You're just wanking....you're really an ignorant person, the fact that you know that sengoku n garp both had to defend + restrict their fullpower, and still beat someone equal to roger
Garp=Roger=Shiki
Sengoku=Whitebeard

 

[U c 4 up da idly]

roger didn't have to fight garp he had better things to do, on top of that he was pressed by time due to his illness. even prime whitebeard was running away from a random marine warship and his reasoning for that was not because they're strong it's because they belong to a big organization so taking them down will end up with just new one taking their place. roger pirates were gonna die in ed war if not for the storm who saved their asses. and shiki considered roger as an immovable obstacle in his path.
you should follow the conversation from the start to at least have an idea what i was talking about not jumping in at random statement and taking it out of context.

You're still claiming roger didn't fight Garp????

Your statement was complete garbage and based solely on head cannon

 

[draganax]

lol what? headcannon perhaps his most formidable was rocks, maganzine even states garp his rival

the magazine also state that garp fought against don chinjao for several years on multiple occasions without a clear winner, and to finaly beat him 30 years ago he had to train by destroying 8 mountains, all that effort just to bring down a pathetic character like chinjao, and you people still put him in the same league as roger, lmao

This is what "barley won" looks like?

the war was basically won in the WB crew favor if not for ace who stupidly allowed himself to be killed, then whitebeard split the battlefield and ordered his crew to escape and protect luffy.

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

the magazine also state that garp fought against don chinjao for several years on multiple occasions without a clear winner, and to finaly beat him 30 years ago he had to train by destroying 8 mountains, all that effort just to bring down a pathetic character like chinjao, and you people still put him in the same league as roger, lmao

That just means Prime Chinjao was strong lol, he head split open an mountain,

the war was basically won in the WB crew favor if not for ace who stupidly allowed himself to be killed, then whitebeard split the battlefield and ordered his crew to escape and protect luffy.

How again? it's a war there no "basically" you either win or you dont
Ace was suppose to die, but instead his captain dead with him even better
admirals>yonkos in today era you can keep at it with the old gen idc

 

[draganax]

You're still claiming roger didn't fight Garp????

Your statement was complete garbage and based solely on head cannon

lets say they fought, why roger is still free. so garp failed.
didn't it comes to your mind that roger won the fights.
it makes more sense to say roger succeeded at escaping, than to say that garp straight up lose. chose your poison
either roger didn't bother fighting garp and escaped like luffy always did. or they fought and roger won.
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That just means Prime Chinjao was strong lol, he head split open an mountain,

if prime chinjao was garp's rival for many years does that makes him a rival to roger too, that pathetic weakling was one-shoted with a shitty excuse like training by destroying 8 mountains. lol zoro cuts mountains for breakfast, kaido can blow them up with boro breath all day. if an easy feat like that can grant you a chance to defeat a top tier then everybody is a top tier.

How again? it's a war there no "basically" you either win or you dont
Ace was suppose to die, but instead his captain dead with him even better

they achieved their objective by freeing ace, it's not their fault he was so eager to end his stupid life destroying with it his crews morale and will power. and we all know how important will power is in a battle.

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

if prime chinjao was garp's rival for many years does that makes him a rival to roger too, that pathetic weakling was one-shoted with a shitty excuse like training by destroying 8 mountains. lol zoro cuts mountains for breakfast, kaido can blow them up with boro breath all day. if an easy feat like that can grant you a chance to defeat a top tier then everybody is a top tier.

Headcannon they were never rivals, garp warmed up with mountains tho

they achieved their objective by freeing ace, it's not their fault he was so eager to end his stupid life destroying with it his crews morale and will power. and we all know how important will power is in a battle

their objective wasn't just freeing ace but to get him on the ship whilst they failed, but you can't comprehend that the marines won the war
and that you keep using what if's

 

[The Legend]

What about dragon

Its actually the same for all the legends who oda likes to Hype. We just have stories but no present feats shown.
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When I looked at how Roger and WB clashed in anime....and then I think about how Garp will fit in such clash against Roger...is he just using his fist.

What seems strange to me is that Oda did not dedicate a page to garp in the flashback and it is assumed that he chased Roger and they fought many times, the only thing is a mention of Roger saying bring Sengoku or garp.

And even Toei didn't go crazy with filler in the Rocks flashback, I remember thinking ... Toei is going to put filler and garp's overvaluation is going to overflow from the level of delirium