Controversial General Political Discussion

[Jesse Pinkman]

I do.
It is a fallacious thinking to believe that liberalism cannot be related to conservatism. Both have the same basic value system:
- Freedom of the individual
- Strong private economy
- Meritocracy

In reality, liberalism is just the basic for all the rightist basic value systems starting with progressive liberalism through libertarianism to conservatism.



It is a right wing vs left wing problem.

The problem is that the left wing wants society to evolve in every fields and the right wing does everything in its power to stop that. Worse, it want it sometimes to regress.

Simple as that.



They are indeed. Reason why our first ennemy on the left are progressive liberals (that are just simple liberals at the end of the day)


What did you meant ?



Trump is a racist.

The video is a bunch of BS altright fallacious rethoric:

- First its equates leftism with liberals. First miss.
- Second its explain that "everybody loved Donald Trump before and are now hating him". No, not everybody loved Donald Trump before. He was pretty hated before that.
- Third, showing up in ONE footage of ONE meeting and praising yourself for policies of inclusivity you probably didn't approved yourself about minorities doesn't mean you are not racist. It means that you know how to communicate.
- Fourth, it denies completely the existence of the actual dogwhistle to white supremacists and white nationalists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump
- The creator asks (in short) "how do you go from being praised to the biggest racist". Well the answer is simple : you didn't transform, you were always that way. The orange pumpkin didn't magically changed, it just revealed himself as he always was. A racist, a biggot, a conspirationnist, an alt right antiscience lyer, a sexual abuser etc.
- "it so ... obvious"... yeah.. not to this guy apparantly. When someone is this problematic and you still tries to defend him, it tells you more about yourself than those who try to fight him.
- Then the guy literally take ONE article of a sub news outlet over analysing a gesture of Trump and tries to make it look like its the entire leftist propaganda.. and he talks about intellectual lazyness ? Lmao...
- Then he says "they doesn't show Donald Trump as being human"... well my guy... we could also show a clip of Hitler being simply "human" and it wouldn't negate all the atrocious thing he did. I'm volontaraly making a godwin point here so you get the point.
- "Donald Trump isn't a fascist" No he is not, but he is enabling them to come to the light
- "Donald Trump isn't anti immigrant, he is anti illegal immigrant".. Einstein, that's the SAME F*CKING thing.
- "Donald Trump isn't pro white nationalist" ... Yes he is, he literally using dogwhistle to appeal to those voters and refuse to condamn them. And no he didn't made it clear to comdamn racism and bigotry during his carrier. He just appeared in a few place praising himself for policies he didn't create


This video is like the entierity of the alt right/right wing propaganda trying to justify their horrible policies and values system by trying to appear more human (by badly appropriating left wings progressive fight such as antiacism and anti bigotry):

Pure BS.

Question is 74 million who voted Trump are racist as well ?
There has to be some reason when neutrals are voting Trump .


Democrats are equally racist as well . Biden said lot of racist stuff in past but media shows him like messiah to people of diversity and lgbt but in fact he is just another war propogandist just like his old boss .

 

[Logiko]

Question is 88 million who voted Trump are racist as well ?

There has to be some reason when neutrals are voting Trump ??

I don't know. But they are far rightist for sure.

When you (people who voted for Trump) have been warned for month with visible evidences that the rise of Trump is met with the rise of white supremacist.

When you are given informations based on evidences that Trump is using more and more far right dog whistles and bigot rethoric

When you are given informations showing that the republican are aiming more and more for women's rights

When you see that the trans bashing (that literally kills btw) is rising because of the rethoric of pro Trump republicans

When you know because of evidences that Trump and his team were behind the entire COVID crisis and literal deniers of the crisis at some point

And so much more reasons...

Then you don't really have an excuse if you vote for the Orange Pumpkin. You vote for a far right bigot therefore you are enabling those values making yourself a far right bigot.

There are indeed reasons why ""apolitics"" vote for Trump. The reason is that they are not apolitic to begin with.

Biden said lot of racist stuff in past but media

Indeed. And ideally, Biden should be thrown out of the race like Trump.

Sadly, this country's system like many others only favor the two party of the rich and defavor those, more leftists who fight for the worker classes and popular classes.

media shows him like messiah to people of diversity and lgbt

The reason behind that is that media (mainstram on tv) are on the same politic line that liberals. A politic for and not against the status co.

They might appear progressists, they have only the color.

Only entertainment industry are a bit more leftist (and even there, you get compagnies like Disney that are hardcore liberals).

 

[Zemmi]

It's so cute when people just assign people labels. I've learned so much about who I am here.

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I'm happy the media has taught you what to consider me.

 

[Daniel]

Yes, those are the symptoms, not the causes.

Checking out the symptoms of the condition and treating it is always going to be easier than looking into the actual cause of said condition, especially for conditions that affect the mind such as ADHD. It would be very difficult and time-consuming for doctors to pinpoint the root cause of the condition.

Additionally, the cause of that person's particular condition may be genetic, thus finding an actual cure for the condition could be an impossible task. However, by focusing on managing their symptoms, individuals with the condition have the opportunity to exert greater control over their symptoms as well as the challenges that they face due to them.

A possible explanation on why the consumption of digital media content may affect someone's attention span, and even make it shorter.

Link: Why our attention spans are shrinking, with Gloria Mark, PhD (apa.org)

The problem is that when children are very young, there are certain parts of their brain that are not yet mature. So their ability to self-control and a part of the brain called executive function and executive function, you can think of it as the governor of the mind. So it manages things like decision-making, and setting priorities of what we should be paying attention to. It helps manage interference of peripheral stimuli in the environment, and executive function is not yet well developed and children are sitting in front of screens and they're exposed to all kinds of potential distractions.

So I think this is not a good idea. Children need self-control for learning, and more and more we're seeing schools having a lot of online learning available for kids, and kids need self-control as a skill to be able to search for information, to do math problems online, to read and write without being distracted. I find it problematic that we're putting children into a digital world before some very critical mental functions are fully developed. I don't think kids are really ready for that.

Mills: Can focus be taught? I mean, you seem to be implying that we need to be doing something particularly with children so that they aren't constantly distracted. But how do you teach somebody to focus on something?

Mark: Well, for children, I think the best thing children can do is to do activity off-screen. And I think they would learn to focus, whether it's playing outside, reading books is an excellent way to get children to focus. If we're talking about adults, I think that one of the best things that adults can do is to make sure that your internal tank of mental resources is kept at high capacity. So when you have a full tank of resources, you can focus much better than when you're just spent, when your resources have just drained because you're doing hard work all day, you're switching your attention a lot. It's going to be very, very hard to focus, and there are things we can do to build up those resources. So one of the best things you can do is to get a really good night's sleep. Everyone says, of course we know you should get a good night's sleep, but let me tell you what happens when you don't. When people accumulate what's called sleep debt and sleep debt is the accumulation of loss of sleep.

If you need eight hours of sleep a night—and I need eight hours of sleep a night—but if you're only getting six hours a night, that difference is called a sleep debt. And if you're consistently getting six hours of sleep a night, you're accumulating sleep debt. And we know that the greater the sleep debt, the shorter the attention spans. And what do people do when they have a lot of sleep debt? We found that they tend to do more lightweight activities like social media. They just don't have the resources to be able to focus and do hard work, so they do what's easy based on the amount of resources that they have available.

Mills: Let's switch topics for a minute to something else that you talk about in your book, which is how TV and movies have changed in the past few decades. You're right that the pace of television and movies has sped up and things like the length of each camera shot, they're getting shorter. Why is that? And are those changes affecting our attention or is this happening because the people who are creating these things already know that we have no attention anymore?

Mark: So I was very surprised to learn that TV and film shot lengths have decreased over the years. They started out much longer. They now average about four seconds a shot length. That's on average. If you watch MTV music videos, they're much shorter. They're only a couple of seconds. So we've become accustomed to seeing very fast shot lengths when we look at TV and film. Even commercials have shortened in length. Commercials used to be much longer. Now it's not uncommon to see six-second commercials, even shorter than that. Now it's a chicken and egg question. We don't know if TV and film have affected our attention spans on computers and phones. We don't know if our attention spans have affected the decision-making of film editors and directors. We don't know exactly if there is any causal connection we see these two parallel trends.

It could be the case that directors and editors are influenced by their own short attention spans when they create these film shots or it could be that they're creating short film shots because they think that's what the viewer wants to see. But this has become quite ubiquitous. In fact, on YouTube, there's a particular YouTube aesthetic which uses jump cuts. So when you're watching a YouTube film, the film becomes very jumpy. The natural pauses that people make when they speak it is removed. So the idea is to pack more content into a shorter amount of time. So we're seeing short lengths of content from all directions. It's not just what we're attending to on computers and phones.

Mills: But I think you found that some of this we're doing to ourselves. I know some people who feel like they're so time crunched that when they want to listen to a podcast, they turn up the speed to 1.5 or 2 and then listen to it. Why are we doing this to ourselves and is this helping?

Our attention spans may be getting shorter and shorter as time passes, and maybe it's because our minds are slowly being conditioned to consume more "content" in a shorter amount of time, and then move onto the next content.

 

[Zemmi]

Checking out the symptoms of the condition and treating it is always going to be easier than looking into the actual cause of said condition, especially for conditions that affect the mind such as ADHD. It would be very difficult and time-consuming for doctors to pinpoint the root cause of the condition.

Additionally, the cause of that person's particular condition may be genetic, thus finding an actual cure for the condition could be an impossible task. However, by focusing on managing their symptoms, individuals with the condition have the opportunity to exert greater control over their symptoms as well as the challenges that they face due to them.

A possible explanation on why the consumption of digital media content may affect someone's attention span, and even make it shorter.

Link: Why our attention spans are shrinking, with Gloria Mark, PhD (apa.org)


Our attention spans may be getting shorter and shorter as time passes, and maybe it's because our minds are slowly being conditioned to consume more "content" in a shorter amount of time, and then move onto the next content.

This is similar to what I was saying yesterday. How they said I had ADHD when I was a kid, but even then I remember being ok with doing nothing. Silence didn't bother me.

Now, it seems like I need multiple things going on at one time which I suggested might not be ADHD but more something that slowly programmed itself in me from having entertainment in my hands all the time.

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Have any of you seen the back-and-forth videos between a girl named Madi and her break-dancing father Ben? It shouldn't be a political thing, but it's appearing on political platforms.

 

[Daniel]

Now, it seems like I need multiple things going on at one time which I suggested might not be ADHD but more something that slowly programmed itself in me from having entertainment in my hands all the time.

It's a side effect of constant media bombardment and how it's programming your brain to recognize many different things that are going on as "important" instead of a couple specific things.

And since entertainment and media tend to get your brain more excited compared to activities such as reading, it's natural that your brain would want to consume more contents that generates that feeling of "excitement" in your brain, which leads to you consuming more and more of that same thing.

Dopamine gets released when your brain experiences various kinds of feelings that is pleasurable (not necessarily sex and drugs either), and after prolonged exposure to stimuli that constantly triggers the release of said neurotransmitter over long periods of time, I'd imagine your brain would be low on that particular transmitter.

What are symptoms of dopamine deficiency in the brain?

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

I don't know. But they are far rightist for sure.

When you (people who voted for Trump) have been warned for month with visible evidences that the rise of Trump is met with the rise of white supremacist.

When you are given informations based on evidences that Trump is using more and more far right dog whistles and bigot rethoric

When you are given informations showing that the republican are aiming more and more for women's rights

When you see that the trans bashing (that literally kills btw) is rising because of the rethoric of pro Trump republicans

When you know because of evidences that Trump and his team were behind the entire COVID crisis and literal deniers of the crisis at some point

And so much more reasons...

Then you don't really have an excuse if you vote for the Orange Pumpkin. You vote for a far right bigot therefore you are enabling those values making yourself a far right bigot.

There are indeed reasons why ""apolitics"" vote for Trump. The reason is that they are not apolitic to begin with.




Indeed. And ideally, Biden should be thrown out of the race like Trump.

Sadly, this country's system like many others only favor the two party of the rich and defavor those, more leftists who fight for the worker classes and popular classes.


The reason behind that is that media (mainstram on tv) are on the same politic line that liberals. A politic for and not against the status co.

They might appear progressists, they have only the color.

Only entertainment industry are a bit more leftist (and even there, you get compagnies like Disney that are hardcore liberals).

Like I said both Joe and Donald don’t belong in this current era of politics . But Kamala Harris , Ron de Santis , Niki Halley are no saint either they are wolves in sheep clothes . I am interested what happens to both the parties post Biden-Trump era .

But I really disagree people have far right leaning when voting Trump . You can say people are tired of career politicians in general . End of the day people who do 9-5 care little about agenda it’s about food on table and they fear being homeless .

I agree topic of lgbt needs to be taken seriously but I note news channel shows more of negative coverage of transgender , todays MSM has been toxic waste they just do it television ratings very few channels dig deep John Oliver has gone detail on this .

 

[Zemmi]

It's a side effect of constant media bombardment and how it's programming your brain to recognize many different things that are going on as "important" instead of a couple specific things.

And since entertainment and media tend to get your brain more excited compared to activities such as reading, it's natural that your brain would want to consume more contents that generates that feeling of "excitement" in your brain, which leads to you consuming more and more of that same thing.

Dopamine gets released when your brain experiences various kinds of feelings that is pleasurable (not necessarily sex and drugs either), and after prolonged exposure to stimuli that constantly triggers the release of said neurotransmitter over long periods of time, I'd imagine your brain would be low on that particular transmitter.

What are symptoms of dopamine deficiency in the brain?

Is it similar to Serotonin withdrawal? Recently went through that. 100% do not recommend it.

Like I said both Joe and Donald don’t belong in this current era of politics . But Kamala Harris , Ron de Santis , Niki Halley are no saint either they are wolves in sheep clothes . I am interested what happens to both the parties post Biden-Trump era .

But I really disagree people have far right leaning when voting Trump . You can say people are tired of career politicians in general . End of the day people who do 9-5 care little about agenda it’s about food on table and they fear being homeless .

I agree topic of lgbt needs to be taken seriously but I note news channel shows more of negative coverage of transgender , todays MSM has been toxic waste they just do it television ratings very few channels dig deep John Oliver has gone detail on this .

I think people who have decided to vote for Trump want to afford to just live again and another portion doesn't want the government to raise their kids, which it seems Democrats have been pushing to do. Then there is another portion who are tired of senseless wars.

Just a question of curiosity. The US provides military aid to many countries, from things as simple as training to actually providing soldiers and paying for military forces. I ponder often if the country pulled this aid and spent it at home, where we have major issues with possible financial fixes such as medical, homelessness, and the drug epidemic. By the way, don't come for me on this. I'm not suggesting one way or another, but I wonder what the effects would be.

 

[Mathias]

Question is 74 million who voted Trump are racist as well ?

Yes

Are people voting AfD, LePen, Netanyahu, Meloni, Geert Wilders, Sweden Democrats racist as well ?

 

[Zemmi]

Yes

Are people voting AfD, LePen, Netanyahu, Meloni, Geert Wilders, Sweden Democrats racist as well ?

Are you from Sweden? Just curious, what are the race demographics?

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Yes

Are people voting AfD, LePen, Netanyahu, Meloni, Geert Wilders, Sweden Democrats racist as well ?

This is the question why are people again drifting to far right leaning parties , until few years ago these people were not taken seriously .

Are everyone badies or something is very with current political system that makes people vote for fringe .

 

[Ravagerblade]

C4N:

It is what it is. This is you.

 

[Mathias]

Are you from Sweden? Just curious, what are the race demographics?

No, and I guess a quick google search is a better source

It seems like they're mostly from Serbia - Montenegro. But recent wars highly increased the number of people from the Middle-East.

80% are white.

This is the question why are people again drifting to far right leaning parties , until few years ago these people were not taken seriously .

Are everyone badies or something is very with current political system that makes people vote for fringe .

There are multiple reasons to why they're drifting to far-right parties. Here are some.

Hateful and stupid answer to far-right wing terrorist attacks is to vote for hateful and stupid far-right wing parties and candidates.

Communists lost the cold war and the left doesn't exist anymore.

Conservative revolution led by Ronald Regan turned the world into a neo-liberal cesspool.

Medias are held by billionaires. Billionaires are either liberal or far-right wing.

 

[Zemmi]

No, and I guess a quick google search is a better source

It seems like they're mostly from Serbia - Montenegro. But recent wars highly increased the number of people from the Middle-East.

80% are white.




There are multiple reasons to why they're drifting to far-right parties. Here are some.

Hateful and stupid answer to far-right wing terrorist attacks is to vote for hateful and stupid far-right wing parties and candidates.

Communists lost the cold war and the left doesn't exist anymore.

Conservative revolution led by Ronald Regan turned the world into a neo-liberal cesspool.

Medias are held by billionaires. Billionaires are either liberal or far-right wing.

I did google but I couldn't find a source that gave a breakdown. I searched more and that might be because they don't record race data, just immigration data.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

No, and I guess a quick google search is a better source

It seems like they're mostly from Serbia - Montenegro. But recent wars highly increased the number of people from the Middle-East.

80% are white.




There are multiple reasons to why they're drifting to far-right parties. Here are some.

Hateful and stupid answer to far-right wing terrorist attacks is to vote for hateful and stupid far-right wing parties and candidates.

Communists lost the cold war and the left doesn't exist anymore.

Conservative revolution led by Ronald Regan turned the world into a neo-liberal cesspool.

Medias are held by billionaires. Billionaires are either liberal or far-right wing.

I was coming to Ronald Reagan as well , who was early version of Trump . Many people remember him as champion of west defeating communists . This is far from truth and Trump actually uses and inspired lot of things from how Reagan started his campaign for President.
It’s interesting how Ronald Dutch Reagan would react to Trump’s rally I would say he would have supported Trump rhetoric .

 

[Zemmi]

From what I have seen from those whose views are shifting right. They are fed up with the lies. They don't want the government to control their lives. People who live in Democrat-led cities are fed up with unkept promises and their cities become more dangerous and in ruins each passing year.

That's also driven the population in Democrats states to decrease while places like Texas and Florida have grown due to the policies that allow them more comfortable lives. I believe I heard yesterday South Carolina was the 3rd state with the highest increase in population. Tennessee should also be on the list somewhere because I have heard many people say they have moved there. People are sick of paying for failed policies.

Another thing I have seen driving people away from the party. They do not want the government to be their baby daddies anymore. We don't need their help to raise our children. School choice should be mandatory. Tax dollars follow the kids. I bet when schools start going broke, our education system will get better. When all these school administration in inner cities' pockets go dry, they will care about the children's learning.

 

[Mathias]

I did google but I couldn't find a source that gave a breakdown. I searched more and that might be because they don't record race data, just immigration data.

Isn’t this more or less what you were looking for ? But what’s the point anyway. I mean unless you believe in conspiracy theories like the great replacement.

I was coming to Ronald Reagan as well , who was early version of Trump . Many people remember him as champion of west defeating communists . This is far from truth and Trump actually uses and inspired lot of things from how Reagan started his campaign for President.
It’s interesting how Ronald Dutch Reagan would react to Trump’s rally I would say he would have supported Trump rhetoric .

I swear I can remember history classes from high school when I was taught Reagan isn’t that bad because he defeated Communism somehow…

What is Ronald DUTCH Reagan ? A nickname like Dubyah and the Orange Man ? Same as Trump, Reagan didn’t seem to have started any major wars. But I don’t know much about it tbh

 

[Zemmi]

Isn’t this more or less what you were looking for ? But what’s the point anyway. I mean unless you believe in conspiracy theories like the great replacement.




I swear I can remember history classes from high school when I was taught Reagan isn’t that bad because he defeated Communism somehow…

What is Ronald DUTCH Reagan ? A nickname like Dubyah and the Orange Man ? Same as Trump, Reagan didn’t seem to have started any major wars. But I don’t know much about it tbh

No, nothing as complicated as that. Was curious just because you asked if that list of people were racist and wondered what racism would look like in Sweden.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Isn’t this more or less what you were looking for ? But what’s the point anyway. I mean unless you believe in conspiracy theories like the great replacement.




I swear I can remember history classes from high school when I was taught Reagan isn’t that bad because he defeated Communism somehow…

What is Ronald DUTCH Reagan ? A nickname like Dubyah and the Orange Man ? Same as Trump, Reagan didn’t seem to have started any major wars. But I don’t know much about it tbh

Yes Dutch was nickname used by his Hollywood friends .

No direct wars under him but he indirectly help mujahuddin in Afghanistan to help them fight Russians of course you know rest is history .

 

[Logiko]

It's so cute when people just assign people labels. I've learned so much about who I am here.

What is funny is that its always the people on the right who refuses or question labels. On the left, we are actually proud of being called leftist or even woke now for me. Its like people on the right are afraid to accept who they really are...

Checking out the symptoms of the condition and treating it is always going to be easier than looking into the actual cause of said condition, especially for conditions that affect the mind such as ADHD. It would be very difficult and time-consuming for doctors to pinpoint the root cause of the condition.

Yes, but here we are not talking about symptoms, the point was to answer to you on this:

After years and years of being out of practice with skills that don't require significant amounts of mental (not necessarily physical) concentration, you wonder why these kids start developing ADHD...

Which was a nonsense.

ADHD is not caused because of a lack of practice of concentration.

But I really disagree people have far right leaning when voting Trump .

When you know that something is far right and that it might hurt people but you still vote and justify those policies.. then you approve those methods, which makes you far right as well.

There is no way to avoid the label. Voting for the devil because you are angry doesn't justify the fact that you are still voting for the devil.

people who do 9-5 care little about agenda it’s about food on table and they fear being homeless

If that was the case, they would vote for party who actually want to help them and not those who fuel their fear of others.

I note news channel shows more of negative coverage of transgender

Indeed. But its not like those people are not being warned by other of the danger of being fed with bigoted propaganda..

There are no excuses

This is the question why are people again drifting to far right leaning parties , until few years ago these people were not taken seriously .

Yes they were, by LEFTISTS.

Leftists (and I mean by that real progressists) are literally fighting for working class for more than two centuries. You want better housing, better healthcare, better wages ? Well vote for the f*cking individuals who are trying to help you and not for the ones on the opposite side who are only feeding on your fears and are not the least interested in changing the status co or stopping inequalities.

At one point, when you are on the working or middle classes and you devote all your life to defend Millionnaires who Tbags the democracy and your rights in the hope that you might be as rich as them one day just by working more... ... QUESTION YOURSELF.

This is you.

I don't mind, this could be a very good person. Could even be an individual far more valuable than someone like you trying to mock them mate.

Ask yourself the right questions.