Controversial General Political Discussion

[Gaimon The Pirate]

A post-apocalyptic story that almost falls under dystopian. I stress almost because of reasons. lol

You can ask @AL sama if I can get the writing good enough, the storyline is complex and will be amazing I think. My brother says I'm going for Oda shit

Keep going then!
I am only happy when people pursue their passions. Between life and laziness i am not doing myself, so i will do my thing tomorrow thinking about this!

 

[AL sama]

You seem to have more empathy that any conservative I've encountered here. I think those comments of yours were therefore not the sign of bigotry and rather a lack of information. So Im coming back on my words calling you a bigot. I'm sorry for that.

You seem to be open to discussion and a good listener, so I will believe in your good faith.

you've labeled me many things over the course of time but you didn't label me even once when it comes to anything politics related

so I m kinda curious how do you view me politically??

 

[Zenos7]

Not anymore. And no, most of the time, there are no "good reasons".

Highly dependent on the sport. And ye well the advantages that zemmi brought up are a thing on average.

 

[Zemmi]

Keep going then!
I am only happy when people pursue their passions. Between life and laziness i am not doing myself, so i will do my thing tomorrow thinking about this!

Just to brag a bit about how my wording has improved. I love these two particular lines.

The alley disappeared, replaced by a raging river of creatures, desperate to drown anyone who entered as their arms created waves that reached for their prey.

&

Icy fingers grazed Phoenix's back, accompanied by a stomping chorus, making the unmistakable sound of death while chomping teeth kept rhythm.

Though I do suggest if you have something you want to do in life. Do it. Don't wait until tomorrow.

 

[Zenos7]

HÖRT AUF ÜBER DIESES BLÖDE SPORTTHEMA ZU REDEN HABT IHR KEINE ANDEREN THEMEN

Da wird aber der Hund in der Pfanne verrückt!

 

[AL sama]

I am the person who stopped writing for a couple of months once because I wrote a scene that broke my heart. Do you remember that, I kept talking about how I should go back and change it.

of course you're such a crybaby sometimes lol

 

[Zemmi]

you've labeled me many things over the course of time but you didn't label me even once when it comes to anything politics related

so I m kinda curious how do you view me politically??

I'll label you as tolerant since I know I have said some things I haven't thought through to you before that in retrospect I realize could've been hurtful and you didn't hate me.

 

[AL sama]

What i wrote applies fo every single person in the world.
I have not made a judgement of his character nor his choice.
I have a belief that shielding yourself and hiding the truth to yourself makes you a prey for any bad actor that want to manipulate you, and is your duty to protect yourself from being used and manipulated. This is my belief and how i try to live, but would be crazy to believe that everyone wants or should think and behave like me.

everyone have their own beliefs xD

 

[Monkey D Theories]

What’s the topic of today?

 

[Zemmi]

What’s the topic of today?

Currently? The US Air Force member who committed suicide.

 

[Logiko]

so I m kinda curious how do you view me politically??

From what I understand:

- You are not far right.
- You are not conservatist
- You display a great deal of self reflection for your religion and the Palestinian conflict which shows a certains openess
- I didn't really catch your view on libertarianism, merit and stuff like that
- But I know that you are antiwoke by principle

So my guess is that you are a most likely some kind of confusionnist or "apolitic" that could have basic liberal ideas and that is therefore completely missunderstanding the purpose of leftist fights.

Note that I don't label Van that much also. In reality, you have pretty much similar political visions from an outside point of view, something a bit confusionnistic, apolitical, mostly centrist/liberal that consider that some things on the right and some things on the left are okay. I short, you are like the majority of the population that elect people that change nothing and keep the status co and therefore some oppressions.. alive.

Which is precisely why I'm going under your skin most of the time: We are political ennemies.

 

[Zenos7]

In short, the presence of free will would means that we could create something out of nothing out of pure will.

No?

Which would go against the first law of thermodynamic

Not exactly, thats about the conservation of energy in a system with constant matter. Creating something out of nothing would add matter.

Not to mention that we dont have any "nothing" to experiment on anyway


Edit: what i said here is true for closed systems only
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However, the fact that freewill doesn't exist doesn't mean that we don't and that our actions or our lives are meaningless. For now, we must live in the illusion of freewill as society is not ready for a full switch yet.. but we might have to change that one day. For this moment to arrive smoothly, we must understand clearly the nature of the universe and the nature of life and the nature of our behaviors.

Watch some bashar-channeling vids. I think you will like them
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This man, whatever his cause may be, chose the most non violent form of extreme protest, choosing to die to send his message and to show his ideals.
Even if he was advocating for evil, you have to admire the selfless nature of such a gesture.

Violence against yourself is still violence or not?

 

[Logiko]

No?

Technically, that's what the commonly called "Free will" phenomenon would need to exit.

Choice created out of pure will our of nothing and therefore consciousness before biological signaling.

Creating something out of nothing would add matter.

Indeed. That's what I'm explaining. That's why free will is a material impossibility.

Creating choice before any biological signal would mean that the creation (out of nothingness) of consciousness and its biological process preceeds the causality of event that leads toward the consciousness of an action, and therefore creates a material signal out of nothingness and independant from everything in environment and the universe, which is an impossibility.

Free will, as we defines it usually and in the laws of our Universe, simply can't exist.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Violence against yourself is still violence or not?

Maybe. But does it really matter in this context?

 

[Zenos7]

Technically, that's what the commonly called "Free will" phenomenon would need to exit.

Why
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Indeed. That's what I'm explaining. That's why free will is a material impossibility.

Dont disagree here, just that first law of thermodynamics doesnt really apply to your example

 

[Zemmi]

Maybe. But does it really matter in this context?

Maybe it was a podcaster who escaped North Korea, but I believe I heard her say that where she was from the penalty for attempted suicide was death.

I don't think that is the only place I heard of that considers suicide a violent crime.

 

[Zenos7]

Creating choice before any biological signal would mean that the creation (out of nothingness) of consciousness and its biological process preceeds the causality of event that leads toward the consciousness of an action, and therefore creates a material signal out of nothingness and independant from everything in environment and the universe, which is an impossibility.

Free will, as we defines it usually and in the laws of our Universe, simply can't exist.

The signal isnt exactly matter thats created out of nothing and the order doesnt really change shit here.
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Maybe. But does it really matter in this context?

Kinda, because it was very violent, just to himself and not other peeps

 

[Logiko]

Watch some bashar-channeling vids. I think you will like them

I Checked their work and... Yeah no.. Esoterism, new age and quantum mindset BS is not really my jam.

I'm pro science. This type of content is the opposite.

In fact. Be careful when you come across this type of content. Because at best you will be in brought by those guys into a quantum frequency leveled journey that might just make you buy a few expensive toys... and at worst, you will be sucked into a circle of pseudoscientific belief that might make you fall into a real dangerous cult or a dangerous cultist belief system.

The signal isnt exactly matter thats created out of nothing and the order doesnt really change shit here.

just that first law of thermodynamics doesnt really apply to your example

In reality, without matter there is nothing. No signal no nothing. That's precisely why I call myself a "materialist" in the broader sence of the term as I includ the forces, the constants and the nature of spacetime as part of the "matter" package (which technically makes me a physicalist, but its complicating things so lets just say that I'm a materialist for now)

Without matter there is no signal and without a signal there is no consciousness. So consciousness can't appear without "matter".

This means that you can't be conscious of your choices before the signals that will create your consciousness. And signals in the brain are the result of millions of calculation and connection taking into account the biology of our brain and the impact of the environment on this biology. Which means that the consciousness of a choice is nothing but an illusion created by our own biology.


Now.. this DOESN'T explains consciousness. It only explains that consciousness is an effect and not a cause.

 

[Mathias]

To be honest, I don’t believe much in free-will myself. I believe there is a bit of it. But there is more destiny than liberty in ourselves.

 

[AL sama]

From what I understand:

- You are not far right.
- You are not conservatist
- You display a great deal of self reflection for your religion and the Palestinian conflict which shows a certains openess
- I didn't really catch your view on libertarianism, merit and stuff like that
- But I know that you are antiwoke by principle

So my guess is that you are a most likely some kind of confusionnist or "apolitic" that could have basic liberal ideas and that is therefore completely missunderstanding the purpose of leftist fights.

Note that I don't label Van that much also. In reality, you have pretty much similar political visions from an outside point of view, something a bit confusionnistic, apolitical, mostly centrist/liberal that consider that some things on the right and some things on the left are okay. I short, you are like the majority of the population that elect people that change nothing and keep the status co and therefore some oppressions.. alive.

Which is precisely why I'm going under your skin most of the time: We are political ennemies.

half of your post is correct I can give you that much