You don't understand what it means when science says it's possible.
Yeah, I think I do.
Second, learn to read. I said we can make better world.
But utopia? Ideal society? Nah...
What you call kindergarten level stuff is exactly the study of science - psychology and behaviour of humans about which you know little about
Actually it seems I know a bit more than you on this subject. Which is often the case when scientists of natural sciences think they have understood everything while having completely ignored a century of human sciences because they think it's "not scientific enough".
Yes, an ideal society is perfectely feasible following simple sociological and political principles. It's not really a question of "how", but a question of "against who".
And right now it's against you.
And it is kindergarden level thinking to believe that just because someone told you that an ideal society was possible, then it was a child's dream. I remember learning this type of thinking back when I was less than 10 and it already bothered me at the time.
There is no material logic behind this type of thinking it's just : "ideal, not possible".. Why ? .. "Because it's just a dream".. It's absolutely not even remotely rationnal.
I yes, I'm purposefuly using the word "ideal" to trigger that irrationnality in you. I'm indeed talking about creating an ideal society here and not just changing the world. Because I know that in your head and in the vision of many here, "changing the world" is very narrow and idealistic point of view.
Yup!
He has zero knowledge about psychology of humans which in itself is a scientific study.
Saying humans are perfectable reflects how little he knows about psychology and on the matter.
Infact, he doesn't even know the difference between idealism and realism and what science means when it says society can become better
I think on this matters its you my good mate who doesn't understand a thing. Or very little. (and I have just a surface level knowledge, so it's saying a lot)
But I have faith that you will start to understand in the years to come. After all, with fascism at the door of power, you will kinda be forced to take a deep look at reality of sociological patterns.
Logiko likes to see his world view as perfect. He likes to impose it as it's the best. I am afraid to say it but if he ever gets into power then he won't be any different from any other authoritarian ruler because based on his condescending tone and superiority complex and tendency to see his view as the right approach, he will end up imposing his world view on others.
See, that's what I'm talking about with Van.
You do not understand the nature of structural and systemic change. For you someone trying to fight oppression by thinking big MUST be someone evil who would demonstrate dictatorship in power.
But you do not understand basic principles of systemic struggles so you do not understand that we are in fact the antithesis of authoritarian while you guyz, on the other hand, are much closer to them. As when people like you are in power, it creates things like this:
https://www.thirdway.org/memo/project-2025s-attacks-on-public-education
And of course you are confusing my condescending tone that is simply a reaction of fear and defense against the BS I see here everyday for the words of an authoritarian. You are not looking beyond your nose. This is bad scientific thinking.
You do not understand the difference between materialism VS idealism so you picture someone who dreams of a better society as an idealist and irrationnal person while not realizing that by considering humans as monolithics and perfectable through their mindset, you are the idealistic one.
And finally, you do not realize that behind the dream I have, there are decades of humans studies and political struggles by millions of people. You just think it's a dream, just like any scientists who think they know everything until they realize they have just been looking at the tip of the iceberg.
The science is here and the theory is all here, you just have to look at it mate.
You're talking about the afterlife
Ask yourself why people needed to invent paradise in order for them to live through their lives