Controversial General Political Discussion

[Mr. Reloaded]

I know you can take hormone pills as a minor, but surgery can't be done until you're an adult. I dunno if I'd call that "unreversible damage".

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

blame shifting the responsability of the criminal into society too.

Do you apply this to every single shooting?
To every terrorist act?
I often do, by the way, but when someone says that a cause is ALWAYS good, i have to take into account awhen crazy zealots go over the line.
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I know you can take hormone pills as a minor, but surgery can't be done until you're an adult. I dunno if I'd call that "unreversible damage".

Mastectomy is performed 13-17 in the USA.

 

[NAMELESS]

Gender disphoria is not a simple case of influence, this is something deep that one can feel. The same as a broken arm.

So this is not a bad struggle, this is you not understanding the importance of adolescent and young adult being treated with gender affirmative surgeries to avoid ACTUAL SUICIDES because of gender disphoria.

Find something else, here you fall flat.

Not the same as broken arm,the same as depression or other mental problems.I think the root cause should be adressed,they need psychologial intervention and not surgery.

 

[Infitima]

Why ? Why the point of this conservatism ?


So you have being push back so your responce is to say the exact same thing ?

...Let's put this another way.

Everyone here seems to like court, right? (Reloaded).

Did you know you still can't wear hats in the court room? I learned that recently when my hair was tangled and I was dealing with an eviction and needed to cover it. So if you can't even wear a hat to a court room, much less a witches robe, a dominatrix suit that looks scifi, and every other getup that looks like the picture.

Tell me why it's okay to ban these things from a court room but you think it's fine to wear them to other political and governmental buildings?

Would you show up to your job wearing any of what was in the picture? Seriously?

 

[NAMELESS]

Do you apply this to every single shooting?
To every terrorist act?
I often do, by the way, but when someone says that a cause is ALWAYS good, i have to take into account awhen crazy zealots go over the line.
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Mastectomy is performed 13-17 in the USA.

no,i do not.Many of these shooters have an history of bullying,but that doesn't justify their acts.Its not the world fault if he couldn't deal with whatever happened to him.People are taking individual responsability away.

 

[Logiko]

Cherry picking my answer, how about all the rest that i wrote?

Your entire commentary can be sum up by "children are influencable, so we should not push on them hormone therapy etc."

Again, this is you not understanding what gender disphoria is and being all conservative about it.

Not the same as broken arm,the same as depression or other mental problems.I think the root cause should be adressed,they need psychologial intervention and not surgery.

In some case yes, in most cases surgery or hormone therapy for minor is needed.

Just like you treat depression with anti depressor, you treat gender disphoria with hormone therapy in some case and surgery in others (for adults).

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

no,i do not.Many of these shooters have an history of bullying,but that doesn't justify their acts.Its not the world fault if he couldn't deal with whatever happened to him.People are taking individual responsability away.

I believe it is harder than that

Take columbine, you have 2 deranged, ostracised, bullied and emarginised youths that have been so excluded that are completely detached from society.
At this point, once you are out, anything is game, because why would you not attack something that you are being attacked by.
It's though.
And i don't condone massacre, but i also blame a society where a bully is cool

 

[NAMELESS]

Your entire commentary can be sum up by "children are influencable, so we should not push on them hormone therapy etc."

Again, this is you not understanding what gender disphoria is and being all conservative about it.

In some case yes, in most cases surgery or hormone therapy for minor is needed.

Just like you treat depression with anti depressor, you treat gender disphoria with hormone therapy in some case and surgery in others (for adults).

This is not realy adressing the problem.They are not the gender they feel they are,doctors should focus on fixing his percpetion of his sex/gender,not making his deliriums become reality.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

In some case yes, in most cases surgery or hormone therapy for minor is needed.

Spoken like a true zealot.

 

[NAMELESS]

I believe it is harder than that

Take columbine, you have 2 deranged, ostracised, bullied and emarginised youths that have been so excluded that are completely detached from society.
At this point, once you are out, anything is game, because why would you not attack something that you are being attacked by.
It's though.
And i don't condone massacre, but i also blame a society where a bully is cool

One of them was a lost mind and the other was a clear psychopatch.I feel there is a lot of loneliness in the world nowadays.Many people are bitter about the world,some go to such extremes.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

One of them was a lost mind and the other was clear psychopatch.I feel there is a lot of loneliness in the world nowadays.Many people are bitter about the world,some go to such extremes.

Yeah, it's a tragedy.
A real damn shame.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Like a terrorist attack this week where 6 people died, along with a manifesto?

98% of mass shootings are perpetrated by white males. Should we ban white males from owning guns?? Identity only matters to you guys when it justifies your drive to discriminate against lgbtq people.

 

[Logiko]

This is not realy adressing the problem.They are not the gender they feel they are,doctors should focus on fixing his percpetion of his sex/gender,not making his deliriums become reality.

That's something you cannot "fix" by fixing your perception. And we don't really know why right now. This is something you fix by actual treatment.

And careful, if gender disphoria is indeed pathological, being trans is not. Making a transition and therefore being a trans person is NOT a disease.

You identity is NOT a disease.

Spoken like a true zealot.

You speak like a far right winger.. so I prefer my method. You have no argument here, just missunderstanding of a fact.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.al...tack-worshippers-in-jerusalems-al-aqsa-mosque

Another hard won W against the terrorists praying in the mosque, amirite? Such a brave force

I saw this a couple of days ago. Absolutely heartbreaking.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

98% of mass shootings are perpetrated by white males. Should we ban white males from owning guns?? Identity only matters to you guys when it justifies your drive to discriminate against lgbtq people.

Did you read my whole posts on the matter on the thread?
I literally say what you just said.
But when a certain cultists says and reiterates that ALL the acts of lgbt are INHERENTLY GOOD it is important to highligjt that ideology can make people deranged.

 

[NAMELESS]

That's something you cannot "fix" by fixing your perception. And we don't really know why right now. This is something you fix by actual treatment.

And careful, if gender disphoria is indeed pathological, being trans is not. Making a transition and therefore being a trans person is NOT a disease.

You identity is NOT a disease.



You speak like a far right winger.. so I prefer my method. You have no argument here, just missunderstanding of a fact.

I will stop this back and forth here.We won't convince each other.This is pointless.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

You speak like a far right winger.. so I prefer my method. You have no argument here, just missunderstanding of a fact.

LoL, you have no idea what or who you are talking about.
You speak of something while heralding its flag and say that all its ideas and purposes are INHERENTLY GOOD.
I don't ever claim to hold the truth on what is good or bad, but i can tell you that never existed something that was, inherently, 100% good.

 

[NAMELESS]

Did you read my whole posts on the matter on the thread?
I literally say what you just said.
But when a certain cultists says and reiterates that ALL the acts of lgbt are INHERENTLY GOOD it is important to highligjt that ideology can make people deranged.

Ideologies can make you stopping seeing things for what they truly are.

 

[Logiko]

ALL the acts of lgbt are INHERENTLY GOOD

LoL, you have no idea what or who you are talking about.
You speak of something while heralding its flag and say that all its ideas and purposes are INHERENTLY GOOD.
I don't ever claim to hold the truth on what is good or bad, but i can tell you that never existed something that was, inherently, 100% good.

THis is not what I said. You are twisting my words fallaciously.

I said that there was NO BAD lgbtq+ struggle right now. A struggle is a battle like pushing the representations or making people accept them.

And nothing is bad right now in those LGBTQ+ struggles/battles. That's just a fact.

 

[NAMELESS]

That's something you cannot "fix" by fixing your perception. And we don't really know why right now. This is something you fix by actual treatment.

And careful, if gender disphoria is indeed pathological, being trans is not. Making a transition and therefore being a trans person is NOT a disease.

You identity is NOT a disease.



You speak like a far right winger.. so I prefer my method. You have no argument here, just missunderstanding of a fact.

Eugenics were supposed to be "good" for society.Don't forget that.