how is this something inherent to socialism when capitalist russia is murdering Ukrainian in present day?

The difference between that and Hitler is that the Holocaust is an inherent part of nazi ideology. They want to create an ethnostate and genocide of undesirables is how that is accomplished. Even if the actual call to genocide wasn’t stated at the beginning, the ideology was always rooted in violence.

I don’t see how this is true for socialism. How is starvation an inherent factor of socialism when the goal of socialism is specifically to eliminate things such as hunger?
Oh my fucking god....Russia and China are STILL DICTATORSHIPS(communism),they adopted a "capitalist" economy,but they still control everything.Communism is about control.Its about state owning you like a slave.The communists never own responsibility for their crimes,they always claim the previous generation of communists didn't achieve "real communism".Only morons fall for this.If you think otherwise,i don't have anything else to say to you.Perhaps you should try to Russia,China,Cuba,etc... and become a youtuber and criticize their regimes.Socialism regimes always end up creating a concentration of power that eventually leads into dictatorship. Period.
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@Seatonnes @Seth @KonyaruIchi @Kurozumi Wiwi @NAMELESS ya'll got the waiting room locked :milaugh:

Bring it over here.
lol i thought i had been banned from there
 
I will repost here only this time cause those pussies closed the thread.


I know a guy who literally doesn't speak to his family about the situation in Ukraine because they only watch TV and believe everything that is said there.

I know few Ukrainians actually.

It's crazy how different their view on the invasion is. Like holy fuck...

I don't mind them at all. My homie came here to Poland and found a better life. Although we can't allow them in left and right.

The % of Nazi ones is too big.
like i understand that it seems ridiculous how deeply the ukrainians hate the russians, but the russians killed more ukrainians than the nazis killed the jews and the ukrainians have never managed to fully rebound since then. they got no revenge, they got no support, they have no sympathy, they just eat shit constantly and have to smile about it. and now the us government is stepping in to send a billion dollars to all the wrong ppl and prop all the leftover nazis and make the country as fascist as its ever been. classic usa
 
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like i understand that it seems ridiculous how deeply the ukrainians hate the russians, but the russians killed more ukrainians than the nazis killed the jews and the ukrainians have never managed to fully rebound since then. they got no revenge, they got no support, they have no sympathy, they just eat shit constantly and have to smile about it. and now the us government is stepping in to send a billion dollars to all the wrong ppl and prop all the leftover nazis and make the country as fascist as its ever been. classic usa
Yeah.

I fear what's to come after the war is over. USA literally sinking their corporate claws into Ukraine.

They will have to pay for the "support" for decades.
 
how is this something inherent to socialism when capitalist russia is murdering Ukrainian in present day?

The difference between that and Hitler is that the Holocaust is an inherent part of nazi ideology. They want to create an ethnostate and genocide of undesirables is how that is accomplished. Even if the actual call to genocide wasn’t stated at the beginning, the ideology was always rooted in violence.

I don’t see how this is true for socialism. How is starvation an inherent factor of socialism when the goal of socialism is specifically to eliminate things such as hunger?
They want to eliminate hunger for their own people. The bad races and bad people can starve.
 
I don’t see how this is true for socialism. How is starvation an inherent factor of socialism when the goal of socialism is specifically to eliminate things such as hunger?
Stalin stopped the shipments of food to Ukraine to kill them off by starvation.Millions were killed,you ignoramus."Ahhh but socialism is this perfect regime where everything is beautiful".You know nothing of history.Uneducated keyboard warrior.
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@Monkey D Theories Educate yourself.You are literally preaching for a genocidal ideology.
https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM
https://communistcrimes.org/en/justice-and-condemnation
https://victimsofcommunism.org/the-secret-soviet-genocide-of-wwii/
https://www.wsj.com/articles/100-years-of-communismand-100-million-dead-1510011810
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
 
All of the things u wrote are actually incorrect, to me it seems u are just a radical left commie who hates everyone, just go dye ur hair blue and u fit right in with twitter lunatics, again im saying ur opinions aren't facts, just because u dont like people having guns, capitalism, and having religous values doesn't make them violent, its just a different opinion, but when u force ur world view on others and threat and destroy peoples lives because of it like some of radical left does that is violence and dangerous, bully behaviour, that us shrouded by your delusion that "its ok cause im opressed and margenelized".
Go to a real fucking country where lgbt is death penalty or woman actually dont have rights before u complain about america
Capitalism is inherently violent. Why do you think it is that some people live life in luxury while others live in squalor?

There are people who own billions and there are people who own nothing. Does that seem fair or just to you?

Capitalism is based off exploitation. Because a small amount of people own large amounts of wealth, they are able to leverage their wealth to the detriment of the majority.

Think about housing. Why is it that some people are homeless? It’s because the wealthy own immense amounts of land and charge rent for the working class to live on it. Is that not exploitative to you?

The landlord class has passive income, meaning they earn money without even needing to work. Meanwhile the workers need to work their lives away just to get by. Those who can’t end up on the streets.
 
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Americans are fucking evil.

They "indirectly" help in a literal cultural war between two slavic countries and they say they don't help directly so they are not involved only to sink their claws in the country they are "helping" to "enslave" them politically and financially later on.
 
Stalin stopped the shipments of food to Ukraine to kill them off by starvation.Millions were killed,you ignoramus."Ahhh but socialism is this perfect regime where everything is beautiful".You know nothing of history.Uneducated keyboard warrior.
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@Monkey D Theories Educate yourself.You are literally preaching for a genocidal ideology.
https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM
https://communistcrimes.org/en/justice-and-condemnation
https://victimsofcommunism.org/the-secret-soviet-genocide-of-wwii/
https://www.wsj.com/articles/100-years-of-communismand-100-million-dead-1510011810
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
Yes I know what Stalin did. But how is that something inherent to socialism? Did the British not do this to india?

Socialism is the idea that the means of production are collectively owned. While Stalinism is a socialist ideology, it’s not the only form of socialism.

How is collective ownership of the means of production genocidal?
 
Oh my fucking god....Russia and China are STILL DICTATORSHIPS(communism),they adopted a "capitalist" economy,but they still control everything.Communism is about control.Its about state owning you like a slave.The communists never own responsibility for their crimes,they always claim the previous generation of communists didn't achieve "real communism".Only morons fall for this.If you think otherwise,i don't have anything else to say to you.Perhaps you should try to Russia,China,Cuba,etc... and become a youtuber and criticize their regimes.Socialism regimes always end up creating a concentration of power that eventually leads into dictatorship. Period.
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lol i thought i had been banned from there
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism sheldon wolin and chris hedges wrote about this a bit but i think hedges is still a self avowed communist.

when the suggestion is made that the furthest-right as represented by Nazis and Capitalists and the furthest-left as represented by Socialists and Communists have any similarities, it's often laughed off or considered a childish or ridiculous suggestion. "Horseshoe Theory", they call it, making fun of how they're "bending" the political line so that the furthest ends get closer together.

but the idea of the line is just made up in the first place. at its simplest, politics is about the organization of decision-making power, and in both of those extremes, the organization structure is almost entirely the same. there is an underclass with no power, fooled into thinking they have power, by whom all wealth is produced and from whom all wealth is extracted. there is a police class. there is a managerial class. to simplify it as much as possible, say the earth only had one government in charge of the entire world. Whether this theoretical government were entirely capitalist or entirely communist, the experience of a citizen living in the world would be almost identical.
 
Capitalism is inherently violent. Why do you think it is that some people live life in luxury while others live in squalor?

There are people who own billions and there are people who own nothing. Does that seem fair or just to you?

Capitalism is based off exploitation. Because a small amount of people own large amounts of wealth, they are able to leverage their wealth to the detriment of the majority.

Think about housing. Why is it that some people are homeless? It’s because the wealthy own immense amounts of land and charge rent for the working class to live on it. Is that not exploitative to you?

The landlord class has passive income, meaning they earn money without even needing to work. Meanwhile the workers need to work their lives away just to get by. Those who can’t end up on the streets.
You must be very young or you have a two digit IQ.
About billionaries:Industrialization happened.Prior to that the rich were the kings and nobles.You and me both live better now than medieval kings.Thnx to capitalism and technology.
Poverty is being consistently eradicated world wide thanks to globalization and industrialization.
Capitalism is NOT based off exploitation.Don't want to work somewhere or buy something?You are free to do so.In soviet regimes you didn't get an option.The Government would decide for you and if you didn't like it,you would be sent to the gulag or sugar cane plantations(Cuba).
Most people that are homeless are mentally ill and are unfit to work.It has nothing to do with "evil capitalists".
You can have passive income too.Start a youtube channel,some dropshipping business,work and buy real state and do wise investments.Hell be creative.This is literally you being jealous.
Life is unfair.Society has never being this competitive.Those that stay idle or only bitch about this current condition will be picked off by natural selection.Get smart and get to work.
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Yes I know what Stalin did. But how is that something inherent to socialism? Did the British not do this to india?

Socialism is the idea that the means of production are collectively owned. While Stalinism is a socialist ideology, it’s not the only form of socialism.

How is collective ownership of the means of production genocidal?
It is inherent because all early communists were violent and did genocides.We have military dictatorships in south america,because these people are started a guerrilla warfare in many countries here.
 
Yes I know what Stalin did. But how is that something inherent to socialism? Did the British not do this to india?

Socialism is the idea that the means of production are collectively owned. While Stalinism is a socialist ideology, it’s not the only form of socialism.

How is collective ownership of the means of production genocidal?
in socialism the bureaucratic class owns the means of production and the working class works. same as capitalism more or less.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism sheldon wolin and chris hedges wrote about this a bit but i think hedges is still a self avowed communist.

when the suggestion is made that the furthest-right as represented by Nazis and Capitalists and the furthest-left as represented by Socialists and Communists have any similarities, it's often laughed off or considered a childish or ridiculous suggestion. "Horseshoe Theory", they call it, making fun of how they're "bending" the political line so that the furthest ends get closer together.

but the idea of the line is just made up in the first place. at its simplest, politics is about the organization of decision-making power, and in both of those extremes, the organization structure is almost entirely the same. there is an underclass with no power, fooled into thinking they have power, by whom all wealth is produced and from whom all wealth is extracted. there is a police class. there is a managerial class. to simplify it as much as possible, say the earth only had one government in charge of the entire world. Whether this theoretical government were entirely capitalist or entirely communist, the experience of a citizen living in the world would be almost identical.
I disagree with this concept,but its good to have some new argument throw at me.Feels refreshing. European countries that were under soviet regime are underdeveloped compared to European ones that did not adopt a similar system.
 
Capitalism is inherently violent. Why do you think it is that some people live life in luxury while others live in squalor?

There are people who own billions and there are people who own nothing. Does that seem fair or just to you?

Capitalism is based off exploitation. Because a small amount of people own large amounts of wealth, they are able to leverage their wealth to the detriment of the majority.

Think about housing. Why is it that some people are homeless? It’s because the wealthy own immense amounts of land and charge rent for the working class to live on it. Is that not exploitative to you?

The landlord class has passive income, meaning they earn money without even needing to work. Meanwhile the workers need to work their lives away just to get by. Those who can’t end up on the streets.
I didn't say capitalism is perfect, but still better then socialism, and ur example of housing is bad, a man who owns land isn't automatically rich, i can rent a house and still have to be a "worker", there are levels to this same as everything else.
 
I didn't say capitalism is perfect, but still better then socialism, and ur example of housing is bad, a man who owns land isn't automatically rich, i can rent a house and still have to be a "worker", there are levels to this same as everything else.
my family owns real state and we need to work.This guy doesn't understand the real world.This is the danger of exposing young people to ideology.Their lack of life experience makes them easy pray to any bullshit.
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Erdogan Won

Turkey won't be US's puppy

:cheers:
hooray
 
I disagree with this concept,but its good to have some new argument throw at me.Feels refreshing. European countries that were under soviet regime are underdeveloped compared to European ones that did not adopt a similar system.
im an anarchist so im insane and wrong most of the time but also i hate everyone equally because i know the politics i want will never succeed anywhere. historically as soon as you start establishing an anarchist government somewhere every local capitalist and communist gets together to kill you with guns
 
im an anarchist so im insane and wrong most of the time but also i hate everyone equally because i know the politics i want will never succeed anywhere. historically as soon as you start establishing an anarchist government somewhere every local capitalist and communist gets together to kill you with guns
National States exist to provide security to both internal and external elements.Anarchy goes against our biology,even small tribes have an hierarchy.
 
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