Controversial General Political Discussion

[Bisoromi Bear]

However, she is the sole caregiver for three children

Where are the kids while she's in jail?

Ultimately she deserves punishment

And what about the corporate and government criminals whose actions cause the deaths of thousands of children? Where's their prison sentences?

Ultimately, I like to say this: If women have the right to abort whenever, men should have the right to not financially support a child --

otherwise it creates a paternity trap.

If you don't wanna be a father then don't fuck. Or use functioning condoms.
The suffering that lack of financial support does to a child is far worse than what abortion does to a child.

. I absolutely do not agree with late term abortions.

Yeah you're right, it kinda sucks but there's worse things and worse crimes in the world.

I don't really like the argument: "My body, my choice," because at the same time, what about the rights of the unborn? :/

Yes, it's not an easy decision. Hence why sex education, preservatives and safe early access to abortions should be available to anyone without taboos.

what about the rights of the unborn? :/

What about the rights of the born children and adults that some people choose to exploit, kill, starve?

 

[Okamakama]

Where are the kids while she's in jail?

And what about the corporate and government criminals whose actions cause the deaths of thousands of children? Where's their prison sentences?


If you don't wanna be a father then don't fuck. Or use functioning condoms.
The suffering that lack of financial support does to a child is far worse than what abortion does to a child.



Yeah you're right, it kinda sucks but there's worse things and worse crimes in the world.


Yes, it's not an easy decision. Hence why sex education, preservatives and safe early access to abortions should be available to anyone without taboos.

What about the rights of the born children and adults that some people choose to exploit, kill, starve?

I know the idea of "don't fuck" is right there, but the option also applies to women. We put the onus only on men. You've seen me throughout these threads. You know I am someone who wants to be a father. Yet at the same time, I understand there is a huge issue there that isn't addressed.

The reason I would have pushed for leniency was because she has three kids. Yet even then, I still believe we owe a duty of care to the vulnerable. The unborn, but capable of life, are one of these. And, as a result, I disagree with abortion of such late term children -- beings that could survive.

I agree with the corporate comments. I hate those bastards.

I think easy access to free abortions lead to a zero consequence society. I think women should be more careful, much like men should be. I actually don't agree with the current zeitgeist that encourages casual flings. I think it only serves to damage people, not 'liberate' them.

There is nuance here. I am not saying 'ban abortion' but ending the life of a 32 week old life... just no.

 

[NAMELESS]

And here I came to talk about fascism in Italy that was welcomed by decades of proximity and normalization with Berlusconi.



Middle-school biology actually explains stuff about intersexuality and trans-identity

The only "problem" I have with the current vibe, if it is even a problem. Is that sexual attraction is a thing for me, while gender attraction doesn't make much sense. If I fuck a lady who wears a jean (originally made for people -usually men- working in mines), it doesn't make me gay

But whatever, thread got hijacked by the American obsession of the gender-talk. AGAIN.

that guy is indian bro

 

[Tejas]

 

[NAMELESS]

oh no...now that jew guy will come here bitching about antisemitism.

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I know the idea of "don't fuck" is right there, but the option also applies to women. We put the onus only on men. You've seen me throughout these threads. You know I am someone who wants to be a father. Yet at the same time, I understand there is a huge issue there that isn't addressed.

The reason I would have pushed for leniency was because she has three kids. Yet even then, I still believe we owe a duty of care to the vulnerable. The unborn, but capable of life, are one of these. And, as a result, I disagree with abortion of such late term children -- beings that could survive.

I agree with the corporate comments. I hate those bastards.

I think easy access to free abortions lead to a zero consequence society. I think women should be more careful, much like men should be. I actually don't agree with the current zeitgeist that encourages casual flings. I think it only serves to damage people, not 'liberate' them.

There is nuance here. I am not saying 'ban abortion' but ending the life of a 32 week old life... just no.

sexual liberation is a failed experiment

 

[grey matter]

If you don't wanna be a father then don't fuck. Or use functioning condoms.

I agree.
But I want to see how far you're willing to use the same standards on women.

If women don't wanna be a mother, don't fuck. Same for men.
I use same standards for both.

Now, what is the case for abortion?
I can understand cases when there is rape, threat to mother's life etc. But vast majority of cases aren't that.

If women can abort "cause my body my choice", dudes should be able to do the same with their money.

 

[Tejas]

oh no...now that jew guy will come here bitching about antisemitism.

 

[NAMELESS]

I agree.
But I want to see how far you're willing to use the same standards on women.

If women don't wanna be a mother, don't fuck. Same for men.
I use same standards for both.

Now, what is the case for abortion?
I can understand cases when there is rape, threat to mother's life etc. But vast majority of cases aren't that.

If women can abort "cause my body my choice", dudes should be able to do the same with their money.

This is about the child's right to life and not womens/mans rights.

 

[Okamakama]

This is about the child's right to life and not womens/mans rights.

I don't really care about the "rights" of the adult in this situation. If you've made the fucking mistake and it's 32 weeks, well, tough shit. Man or woman up and raise the fucking kid. It's the right thing to do in my mind.

 

[NAMELESS]

I don't really care about the "rights" of the adult in this situation. If you've made the fucking mistake and it's 32 weeks, well, tough shit. Man or woman up and raise the fucking kid. It's the right thing to do in my mind.

exactly

 

[Okamakama]

exactly

The supporting the woman, like she's some sort of child without fault, is part of the infantilization of adults I mean. Responsibility makes one an adult. This is both a boon and a bane. If we make mistakes then we have to live up to that.

What about rape babies?

Well, if it is within the right term, I can accept it being aborted.

But 32 weeks? That kid can survive. We all know it. She was being heinous in doing that. Even then I would have given her leniency if she was contrite and admitted guilt from the start because she has 3 other kids to look after. Yes, that may come across as me favouring women, but if it was a man being the primary care giver with no wife around? I'd probably rule the same. We need to look after children, ffs.

 

[grey matter]

This is about the child's right to life and not womens/mans rights.

I agree.

Ideally, both men and women would have self control and not engage in these activities on a whim.
If you do it, then take responsibility for your actions.

I personally am fine with making exception for cases like rape, threat to mother's life etc.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Boomers still make up the majority of active voters

Ya i know lot of genx secretly love trump they are wiser not to come out in open.

When trump said there are silent majority its hard truth. Younger generation know they will be cancelled and lose job if they come out supporting trump.

Like i said desantis is likely looking for vp post and positioning himself has 28 contender if he takes on Kamala harris.

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And here I came to talk about fascism in Italy that was welcomed by decades of proximity and normalization with Berlusconi.



Middle-school biology actually explains stuff about intersexuality and trans-identity

The only "problem" I have with the current vibe, if it is even a problem. Is that sexual attraction is a thing for me, while gender attraction doesn't make much sense. If I fuck a lady who wears a jean (originally made for people -usually men- working in mines), it doesn't make me gay

But whatever, thread got hijacked by the American obsession of the gender-talk. AGAIN.

Only redeeing quality with silvio he gave glorious days with Milan. Milan fans still adore him despite having dodgy ideology.

 

[Logiko]

I can accept it being aborted.

This is not your body bro. You don't get to "accept" anything.

 

[Okamakama]

This is not your body bro. You don't get to "accept" anything.

I personally am of the belief that the parents, both, should have some decision in the matter. Hence my argument earlier that, if a man has no rights here, why is he forced to live with a mistake but a woman can just abort her mistake?

Next, I am speaking on what I personally am comfortable with. A 32 week old in the womb can survive. I am much more comfortable with ending an early term pregnancy. I do believe we should live with our mistakes -- or at least take responsibility if we do not take quick enough action. This, in my mind, strikes the balance between the right of the unborn and the right of the mother.

My body my choice is the eventual result of the sexual liberation movement which I am intrinsically against. We do not have to agree on this point, nor do I think we will.

 

[Logiko]

I personally am of the belief that the parents, both, should have some decision in the matter.

No, only one person has a right to say and its the pregnant one. Their body, their choice.

My body my choice is the eventual result of the sexual liberation movement which I am intrinsically against. We do not have to agree on this point, nor do I think we will.

Again, this is not for you to decide.

 

[Okamakama]

No, only one person has a right to say and its the pregnant one. Their body, their choice.

Again, this is not for you to decide.

I am free and entitled to my opinion on the matter. I would also try to stop her, if I had the opportunity. I cannot accept what she did as being the acts of an innocent person. She killed a person.

As a left-leaning individual, you should at least be able to accept people having opinio... oh... ohhh, my bad.

 

[NAMELESS]

No, only one person has a right to say and its the pregnant one. Their body, their choice.

Again, this is not for you to decide.

so you dont give a fuck about human rights then...

 

[Tejas]

No, only one person has a right to say and its the pregnant one. Their body, their choice.

Again, this is not for you to decide.

Basically anyone that identifies as a Uterus can decide about abortion using Leftist logic

 

[NAMELESS]

This is not your body bro. You don't get to "accept" anything.

neither is the woman's body.The developing child has human rights too

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Basically anyone that identifies as a Uterus can decide about abortion using Leftist logic

killer maniacs

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Basically anyone that identifies as a Uterus can decide about abortion using Leftist logic

leftism is mental illness.