Controversial General Political Discussion

[NAMELESS]

People can click on the quote to read the conversation if they wish to do so.
I am not interested in warming up a 1 1/2 year old discussion with a 10 year old.

why bring it up then?

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

why bring it up then?

Because I remembered it.

 

[NAMELESS]

Ainda sim eram cidadões de segunda classe na própria terra.Condeno a invasão Islâmica.

Translation:
Still,they were second class citizens in their own lands.I condemn the Islamic invasion.

 

[Photon]

To each their own.Iberians and Europpeans already had a established religion that had its similarities to Islam.

As i said, i do not know the whole picture so i wont talk too much. But i think it's not necessarily a shit take

Back when portuguese was colonizing southeast asia, Ottoman was actually helping the locals to fight back the colonization. I think there's virtually no history book that would picture Ottoman as a bad guy in southeast asia

 

[NAMELESS]

Because I remembered it.

I remember what you told me back then too:

http://imgur.com/a/CTclCzx

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As i said, i do not know the whole picture so i wont talk too much. But i think it's not necessarily a shit take

Back when portuguese was colonizing southeast asia, Ottoman was actually helping the locals to fight back the colonization. I think there's virtually no history book that would picture Ottoman as a bad guy in southeast asia

I'm not familiar with southeast asian history,so i will abstain from commenting about it.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

 

[Mathias]

It’s fun to change names but a mess in my head when I have to remember who is who

 

[Zenos7]

remember what you told me back then too:

Lmao, imagine wanting to be violent with someone over (online) arguments.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Spanish Inquisition is overblown.Those death charts were propaganda the brits were spreading.
"García Cárcel estimates that the total number prosecuted by the Inquisition throughout its history was approximately 150,000; applying the percentages of executions that appeared in the trials of 1560–1700—about 2%—the approximate total would be about 3,000 put to death. Nevertheless, some authors consider that the toll may have been higher, keeping in mind the data provided by Dedieu and García Cárcel for the tribunals of Toledo and Valencia, respectively, and estimate between 3,000 and 5,000 were executed.[1] Other authors disagree and estimate a max death toll between 1% and 5%, (depending on the time span used) combining all the processes the inquisition carried, both religious and non-religious ones.[116][146] In either case, this is significantly lower than the number of people executed exclusively for witchcraft in other parts of Europe during about the same time span as the Spanish Inquisition (estimated at c. 40,000–60,000).[1]

Modern historians have begun to study the documentary records of the Inquisition. The archives of the Suprema, today held by the National Historical Archive of Spain (Archivo Histórico Nacional), conserves the annual relations of all processes between 1540 and 1700. This material provides information for approximately 44,674 judgments. These 44,674 cases include 826 executions in persona and 778 in effigie (i.e. an effigy was burned). This material is far from being complete—for example, the tribunal of Cuenca is entirely omitted, because no relaciones de causas from this tribunal have been found, and significant gaps concern some other tribunals (e.g., Valladolid). Many more cases not reported to the Suprema are known from the other sources (i.e., no relaciones de causas from Cuenca have been found, but its original records have been preserved), but were not included in Contreras-Henningsen's statistics for the methodological reasons.[147] William Monter estimates 1000 executions between 1530 and 1630 and 250 between 1630 and 1730.[148]

The archives of the Suprema only provide information about processes prior to 1560. To study the processes themselves, it is necessary to examine the archives of the local tribunals, the majority of which have been lost to the devastation of war, the ravages of time or other events. Some archives have survived including those of Toledo, where 12,000 were judged for offences related to heresy, mainly minor "blasphemy", and those of Valencia.[149][150] These indicate that the Inquisition was most active in the period between 1480 and 1530 and that during this period the percentage condemned to death was much more significant than in the years that followed. Modern estimates show approximately 2,000 executions in persona in the whole of Spain up to 1530.[151]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition#Outcomes


Exactly,these dumb motherfuckers don't know history.Muslims started invading Christian lands all over the place.The crusades were a response to muslim aggression.

chill out

 

[NAMELESS]

I told you to chill out because you were throwing a tantrum over fiction(Oda's work).That guy said some bullshit over the reconquista that if taken to the context of Israel-Palestine would justify Israel.we were debating serious stuff and not anime.
@Fn Lucci

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

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Classic nameless 🤡

 

[NAMELESS]

Lmao, imagine wanting to be violent with someone over (online) arguments.

yeah,its the same dude that posts bunny pics here.Shameless hypocrisy.

 

[Fn Lucci]

I told you to chill out because you were throwing a tantrum over fiction(Oda's work).That guy said some bullshit over the reconquista that if taken to the context of Israel-Palestine would justify Israel.we were debating serious stuff and not anime.
@Fn Lucci

I clearly wouldn't be on an OP forum if Oda's work caused me tantrums. But I strongly object to comparing thousands of real civilians being killed to a cartoon fight between opposing armies.

Not really a perspective disagreement for a real life event that none of our great great grandparents were even alive to witness. "First of all fuck you." Like lol okay Tupac.

 

[NAMELESS]

I clearly wouldn't be on an OP forum if Oda's work caused me tantrums. But I strongly object to comparing thousands of real civilians being killed to a cartoon fight between opposing armies.

Not really a perspective disagreement for a real life event that none of our great great grandparents were even alive to witness. "First of all fuck you." Like lol okay Tupac.

Yeah,that insult isn't like me,but since some people get away with it here.I felt the need to post that to a bad faith argument.
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Classic nameless 🤡

classic loli 🤡

 

[Okamakama]

We must unite these two for the greater good. Quick, say something that'll set Logiko off...

 

[Mathias]

I'm sure that the Spanish Inquisition isn't as bad as it was thought during the 19th century.

But it's still pretty fucking bad nonetheless.
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We must unite these two for the greater good. Quick, say something that'll set Logiko off...

Women didn't exist during the Spanish Inquisition

 

[Okamakama]

The statement itself is not that bad. They have the right to accept and search for salvation. The Pope even stated that if they start to bring the abominations that some of those people ask for in liberal media they wll not be accepted.

So I don't see the issue, to be honest. Act as a proper Christian and don't try to abuse and brainwash kids and no one will care about your sexual orientation or gender identity.

I get it, but I feel like appealing to everyone is only diluting the values of the church (but I haven't got much skin in the game as I am not Catholic). My concerns is that nobody asks Muslims to update their values for modernity. Nobody asks any other religion for these changes except Christianity... and now they're bending the knee.

 

[NAMELESS]

I get it, but I feel like appealing to everyone is only diluting the values of the church (but I haven't got much skin in the game as I am not Catholic). My concerns is that nobody asks Muslims to update their values for modernity. Nobody asks any other religion for these changes except Christianity... and now they're bending the knee.

We are not,this storm will pass.Francis is just another bad Pope.We had many of those.
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We must unite these two for the greater good. Quick, say something that'll set Logiko off...

who?

 

[Okamakama]

who?

You and Solis, my friend.

 

[NAMELESS]

You and Solis, my friend.