Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

It's the other way around. Socialism is the transition period. Socialist society that has abolished state and class = communism.

You are right! For some reason I always inverted Socialism and communism and it stucked in my head. Despite understanding the words.

This could explain some of the heat I faced here. This was literally a mental bug (that will come back I think) lol

Only if we abolish france too

That would be cool

 

[Mathias]

Only if we abolish france too

How should we abolish it ? Bringing it back to something or creating something new ?

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[Toby D. Dog]

Only if we abolish france too

Yes, please, i beg you.

 

[Etzel Andergast]

How should we abolish it ? Bringing it back to something or creating something new ?

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[Logiko]

If my goal is to move one meter to the north, I can not achieve that by moving one meter to the south

Technically... you can
.. if you try to make a complete circle around the planet minus one meter

How should we abolish it ? Bringing it back to something or creating something new ?

So... picture a phoenix

 

[Blax Blah]

Technically... you can
.. if you try to make a complete circle around the planet minus one meter





So... picture a phoenix

Yeah but I just wanted to use that as an example to compare to the practical problem of how to get ownership to the workers, the leninist answer being giving it to a state that would wither away over time, and the anarchist answer being to give it to them outright and let that be as it is


One is means ends unity, one isn't

 

[Mathias]

Looks like that random american army plan from WW2 but from ancient times

 

[Blax Blah]

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Itcan be both?
Taking walfare while working outside of contracts at lower wages?

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Itcan be both?
Taking walfare while working outside of contracts at lower wages?

Illegal immigrants in the US don't have the ability to even get a social security number, which they would need to have access to welfare.

 

[Blax Blah]

Source on Orwell being a democratic socialist: https://biographyonline.net/socialism-george-orwell/

By the way @NAMELESS ^

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homage_to_Catalonia


"Homage to Catalonia is a memoir and the sixth book by English writer George Orwell published in 1938, in which he accounts his personal experiences and observations while fighting in the Spanish Civil War. "

"The war was one of the defining events of his political outlook and a significant part of what led him to write in 1946, "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it."[1] "












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Desert Island Economics:

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Illegal immigrants in the US don't have the ability to even get a social security number, which they would need to have access to welfare.

I was talking more about europe, but in general the point is that they will tolerate a worse lifestyle, introducing immigration lowers the bar, is simple as that

 

[Blax Blah]

I was talking more about europe, but in general the point is that they will tolerate a worse lifestyle, introducing immigration lowers the bar, is simple as that

Do you mean lowers the bar as in lowers the value of labor?

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Do you mean lowers the bar as in lowers the value of labor?

Yes.
Example, student jobs in canada or UK being taken by immigrants. Talking about low income stuff like cashier/waitress/mcdonalds.
Now instead of students/entry level we get full blown adult, living in 5 per bedroom.

 

[Mathias]

I was talking more about europe

Example, student jobs in canada or UK

 

[Blax Blah]

Yes.
QqExample, student jobs in canada or UK being taken by immigrants. Talking about low income stuff like cashier/waitress/mcdonalds.
Now instead of students/entry level we get full blown adult, living in 5 per bedroom.

Well I would like to ask, are you familiar with the argument that wage labor is theft?

 

[Ravagerblade]

People complaining about Billionaires yet still buy from them.
Make it make sense.

I do agree they have gotten to big and imo close to qualifying for Monopoly.
Capitalism as I know it, the free Market, ( rather a small part of the whole) which has stopped actually being as such for a long while now.
Corruption has spread within allowing it to not work as intended.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Lol, I had my first example, but yeah I am a nit tired.
Let's say Italian plantations using Bangladeshi or indians or Africans as slaves then?

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Well I would like to ask, are you familiar with the argument that wage labor is theft?

I don't care, I cannot change the system at the moment, I can complain about one of the issues.
I do not care about idealistic socialist utopia, I talk about real life and my actual tomorrow.

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People complaining about Billionaires yet still buy from them.
Make it make sense.

I do agree they have gotten to big and imo close to qualifying for Monopoly.
Capitalism as I know it, the free Market, ( rather a small part of the whole) which has stopped actually being as such for a long while now.
Corruption has spread within allowing it to not work as intended.

We do not really get a choice, Conglomerates own the market, supermarkets only sell products from the above mentioned, and non monopoly is extremely expensive because that's how they rig the game

 

[Blax Blah]

Lol, I had my first example, but yeah I am a nit tired.
Let's say Italian plantations using Bangladeshi or indians or Africans as slaves then?

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I don't care, I cannot change the system at the moment, I can complain about one of the issues.
I do not care about idealistic socialist utopia, I talk about real life and my actual tomorrow.

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We do not really get a choice, Conglomerates own the market, supermarkets only sell products from the above mentioned, and non monopoly is extremely expensive because that's how they rig the game

You may not be able to change the system, but the people as a group can


Do you not care, or do you mean you don't care because you don't think strong unions, the economy being entirely made up of worker co-operatives, or worker ownership of the means of production, are possible?

 

[Ravagerblade]

Lol, I had my first example, but yeah I am a nit tired.
Let's say Italian plantations using Bangladeshi or indians or Africans as slaves then?

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I don't care, I cannot change the system at the moment, I can complain about one of the issues.
I do not care about idealistic socialist utopia, I talk about real life and my actual tomorrow.

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We do not really get a choice, Conglomerates own the market, supermarkets only sell products from the above mentioned, and non monopoly is extremely expensive because that's how they rig the game

Hence not working as intended, corruption.