Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

Yes, Zionism the absolute horror that Jews are human and should have a place to live

Zionism is an ethnonationalist imperialist and fascist ideology. It's not "A place for Jews to live". it's a place "ONLY FOR Jews to live no matter if other people are already here". Jews can live anywhere there are not entitled to a place only for them.

Criticizing Israel is not anti-semitic, but thinking Israel should not exist

Israel is a colonial genocidal and apartheid state. Period. Weither you like it or not its existence is unethical. As such, Israel must go, but this doesn't mean that Jews need to, they will just have to live on SHARED land.

The ideology of a terrorist group like Hamas is mainstream now.

I swear, I was keeping myself from doing that, but I will start to call people "fascist" soon here. There is a level of bigotry and genocide/colonialism apologism that I'm not willing to let through.

Oh God this hag again
Seen her before, she couldn't hide her sociopathy even if she tried😂🙈

She is legit scary. And if you watch the documentary, she is even scarier.

https://www.filmsforaction.org/watch/louis-theroux-the-settlers/

@HerreraIsBack @sanjikun and other fascist apologist, this is for you:

Sure, definitely not from you though. Flat earth level reality denial

lol

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

My dude Hamas leaders gave the order to execute teenagers at a music festival and to kidnap children from their home.

That doesn't mean all Muslims agree with them, nor that Muslims don't deserve a home.

Yes I know?!
I'm not a Hamas fanboy like Logiko

I swear, I was keeping myself from doing that, but I will start to call people "fascist" soon here. There is a level of bigotry and genocide/colonialism apologism that I'm not willing to let through.

My bunny, your goats are a horde of Iran backed barbarians who want a sharia state. Leave your twitter bubble for once

 

[Logiko]

My bunny, your goats are a horde of Iran backed barbarians who want a sharia state. Leave your twitter bubble for once

My goats? My close ones are only backed by a loving family, don't worry mate. If you are talking about the resistance, I only care about their fight : the resistance against colonialism. Wacky wacky, no resistance group is pure. You will not find a friendly ear if your first reflex in front of an oppression is to point out the immorality of the resistance. If you look for blood on the weapon, you will miss the bullet.

 

[Zenos7]

Even you have to recognize the fact that biological sex exists as a biological reality, come on 😂😂

You were mistaken, logikos situation is THAT bad

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

My goats? My close ones are only backed by a loving family, don't worry mate. If you are talking about the resistance, I only care about their fight : the resistance against colonialism. Wacky wacky, no resistance group is pure. You will not find a friendly ear if your first reflex in front of an oppression is to point out the immorality of the resistance. If you look for blood on the weapon, you will miss the bullet.

Hamas neither represents all Palestinians nor are they ever bringing peace.
The issue with you is that you're incapable of nuanced thought and critical thinking, you latch onto anyone who has 'freedom fighter' written on their shirt and cling to them as if you were in desperate need for a group you belong to.
How old are you, 13??

 

[Zenos7]

Hamas neither represents all Palestinians nor are they ever bringing peace.
The issue with you is that you're incapable of nuanced thought and critical thinking, you latch onto anyone who has 'freedom fighter' written on their shirt and cling to them as if you were in desperate need for a group you belong to.
How old are you, 13??

He does alot of black and white thinking thats for sure.

And yeah the only thing hamas will offer is another attack on israel.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

@Logiko
What force of resistance will you support when it comes to Gazans who want to live a good life suffering under Hamas' sharia state? Will you still call them freedom fighters when they publically execute kids for listening to music or women for not covering their hair correctly?
Or will you make up excuses and call them collaborators of Israel?

 

[Zenos7]

Will you still call them freedom fighters when they publically execute kids for listening to music or women for not covering their hair correctly?

or homosexuals for homosexual activities

 

[Logiko]

You were mistaken, logikos situation is THAT bad

Nat really, I'm very lucky compared to my peers.. for now.

Hamas neither represents all Palestinians nor are they ever bringing peace.

The point of a resistance is not to be a diplomatic political party.

The issue with you is that you're incapable of nuanced thought and critical thinking, you latch onto anyone who has 'freedom fighter' written on their shirt and cling to them as if you were in desperate need for a group you belong to.

Much more than you it seems. You are the one that absolutely need to paint resistance group as "barbaric". Not me. I aknowledge their dangerosity was also aknowledging their fight. You are seeking binarity in this case, I'm not. I've done my fair share of critical thinking to get rid of hundreds of problematics thinking patterns. You nowhere near the level to give me lessons about it.

He does alot of black and white thinking thats for sure.

Little quizz geniuses: If someone aknowledge the dangerosity of a group while aknowledging the legitimacy of their action, they are:
A - Binary ?
B - Nuanced ?

And yeah the only thing hamas will offer is another attack on israel.

So you are the one seeing the world in black and white here... and you are trying to pin this behavior on me to deflect.

@Logiko
What force of resistance will you support when it comes to Gazans who want to live a good life suffering under Hamas' sharia state? Will you still call them freedom fighters when they publically execute kids for listening to music or women for not covering their hair correctly?
Or will you make up excuses and call them collaborators of Israel?

I will always support the oppressed. But here.. Seem like your problem is bigger than Hamas.

Islam.. hm?

or homosexuals for homosexual activities

I'm starting to see a pattern here...

 

[Logiko]

 

[Zenos7]

Little quizz geniuses: If someone aknowledge the dangerosity of a group while aknowledging the legitimacy of their action, they are:
A - Binary ?
B - Nuanced ?

bro im not going to entertain this shit when in the past you often criticized me for delving into nuances you ignored
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So you are the one seeing the world in black and white here... and you are trying to pin this behavior on me to deflect.

no sadly its hamas seeing the world in black and white. and knowing that makes the conclusion extremely likely.

 

[Logiko]

bro im not going to entertain this shit when in the past you often criticized me for delving into nuances you ignored

The nuance in question

>>>

Trans women are men who are transgender

no sadly its hamas seeing the world in black and white. and knowing that makes the conclusion extremely likely.

Are you even understanding what you are typing ?

 

[sanjikun]

Zionism is an ethnonationalist imperialist and fascist ideology. It's not "A place for Jews to live". it's a place "ONLY FOR Jews to live no matter if other people are already here". Jews can live anywhere there are not entitled to a place only for them.


Israel is a colonial genocidal and apartheid state. Period. Weither you like it or not its existence is unethical. As such, Israel must go, but this doesn't mean that Jews need to, they will just have to live on SHARED land.


I swear, I was keeping myself from doing that, but I will start to call people "fascist" soon here. There is a level of bigotry and genocide/colonialism apologism that I'm not willing to let through.




She is legit scary. And if you watch the documentary, she is even scarier.

https://www.filmsforaction.org/watch/louis-theroux-the-settlers/

@HerreraIsBack @sanjikun and other fascist apologist, this is for you:

lol

Every single country in the world is an ethnostate. That's the whole point of nation states. You don't think China is an ethnostate? Or Iran? Or N. Korea? Where is your complaint about them?

The fact that you only seem to have a problem with Jews, shows your motives though. It's ok though, I know racist hatred against Jews is crowned in sanctimonious marxist nonsense.

 

[Zenos7]

I will always support the oppressed. But here.. Seem like your problem is bigger than Hamas.

Islam.. hm?

in my opinon islam can be a dangerous ideology, this doesnt necessarily have an absolute bearing on the behaviour of muslims though. they can, in spite of islam, stop executing homosexuals or what bisoromi said or killing apostates or lashing fornicators. plenty examples of that around. but also some examples like hamas and other extreme terrorist groups.
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re you even understanding what you are typing ?

you seem to not understand. and its a fairly simple point even.

 

[Logiko]

Every single country in the world is an ethnostate.

in my opinon islam can be a dangerous ideology

I'm so good at predicting reactionnary rethoric lmao

 

[Zenos7]

Every single country in the world is an ethnostate. That's the whole point of nation states. You don't think China is an ethnostate? Or Iran? Or N. Korea? Where is your complaint about them?

The fact that you only seem to have a problem with Jews, shows your motives though. It's ok though, I know racist hatred against Jews is crowned in sanctimonious marxist nonsense.

uhm no? im not ethnically german but have german citizenship.

 

[sanjikun]

uhm no? im not ethnically german but have german citizenship.

There are also Arabs living in Israel. But it's not that easy is it? If you don't think Germany is not rigged for ethnic Germans to succeed over everyone else, I don't know what country you've lived in.

This goes for America and white people, Japan for Japanese people, etc. Nation states where built for specific ethnicities to have their country/place.

 

[Zenos7]

and conveniently ignoring the rest of my comment?

hamas and groups like them dont get these laws from nowhere my guy. i mean if you want nuance we can talk about islam and its many denominations, some of which are not considered legitimate by many, for which the adherents are discriminated against, like the ahmadis. but in this case i dont see how the nuance is necessary when talking about hamas

 

[AL sama]

I have serious issues with Hamas

my problem must be Islam too even tho I m a Muslim

 

[Zenos7]

There are also Arabs living in Israel. But it's not that easy is it? If you don't think Germany is not rigged for ethnic Germans to succeed over everyone else, I don't know what country you've lived in.

This goes for America and white people, Japan for Japanese people, etc. Nation states where built for specific ethnicities to have their country/place.

since 1995, every child born in germany automatically gets german citizenship, regardless of ethnicity. and there really is only one party that wants to make germany an ethnostate, and sadly they are rising in popularity like crazy.