Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

Man, obviously Israel is the big dog of the region, but I really do believe all of them hate each other equally.

No.
On the Palestinian side, the dehumanization doesn't take the same shape, or at least not systematically like you can see here. The hatred is a result of the oppression. It's anger fueled.

In Israel, the dehumanization is system, to the point settlers do not understand when we told them that Arabs are humans and deserve their place. It's a hatred fueled by the process of colonialism.

There is this narrative by zionist apologists that Palestinians are brought up suckling the teat of antisemitism and learning to hate any Jew they see before they learn to write.
Yet the evidence we get to see tells another story.

Exactly, they critic what they actually do.

 

[Midnight Delight]

The hatred is a result of the oppression

Lmao

LOL

Why was Al Aqsa built in place of a Jewish temple

Answer me that

 

[Logiko]

Lmao

LOL

Why was Al Aqsa built in place of a Jewish temple

Answer me that

Let me answer to you simply:

Spoiler: Answer

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Man, obviously Israel is the big dog of the region, but I really do believe all of them hate each other equally.

That much is obvious but to be fair, I think palestinians have more reasons as of now to hate the Israelis than the opposite (and I say that without justifying any act of violence from either side).

But this part of the world is just a big mess, and for other countries, it is a necessary mess. They benefit from it.

 

[Midnight Delight]

Look at what you all made me do
You forced me to Bring Tik Tok Secretarian insults into this thread

Because of your Dishonest lies

 

[Monkey D Theories]

> Palestinians are thought to hate Israelis from kindergarden
> Released Israeli hostages mostly (*that I know of) talk highly about their treatment

While it wouldnt be fair to use Hamas to stereotype all Palestinians, the people you are talking about literally murdered and abducted civilians.

 

[Logiko]

While it wouldnt be fair to use Hamas to stereotype all Palestinians, the people you are talking about literally murdered and abducted civilians.

Are you talking about IDF Settlers or the Hamas? (because they both killed civilian settlers on October 7th)

 

[Midnight Delight]

While it wouldnt be fair to use Hamas to stereotype all Palestinians, the people you are talking about literally murdered and abducted civilians.

They also raped kids

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Are you talking about IDF Settlers or the Hamas? (because they both killed civilian settlers on October 7th)

Civilian settlers? Really?

 

[Logiko]

Civilian settlers? Really?

Do you mean Israelian are not settlers? Or maybe you don't want contextual informations like you just added some yourself?

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Do you mean Israelian are not settlers? Or maybe you don't want contextual informations like you just added some yourself?

I think this whole settler colony discourse is meaningless. What is and isn’t a settler colony is arbitrary. You could probably classify over half the countries on earth as settler colonies.

What are you really trying to say by calling Israelis settlers?

 

[Midnight Delight]

What are you really trying to say by calling Israelis settlers?

Trying to make them white Coded

 

[Logiko]

What is and isn’t a settler colony is arbitrary.

No. It's a mode of exploitation and domination clearly defined. Refusing to qualify a settler colony as it is, is refusing to accept the problem as it is.

You could probably classify over half the countries on earth as settler colonies.

Nah, but some yeah.

What are you really trying to say by calling Israelis settlers?

I'm telling you that everything happens in a context, and refusing to see the context by depoliticizing an issue is invisibilizing the reality of a potential situation of oppression. Killing and murders, while horrible, don't happen in a void. So when your first reflex when someone explains the oppression of Palestinians and explain that the resistance treated prisoners correctly, is to call out war crimes of such groups, you participate in such invisibilization and the destruction of the contextual informations that are fundamental to understand the conflict and oppressions of palestinians.

Trying to make them white Coded

Zionism is an extension of white supremacism

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Trying to make them white Coded

The thing is, “settler colonialism” is largely just a matter of perspective.

Are Asian and African immigrants in Europe settlers? Some people would say yes. If no, at what point would they become settlers?

London is 36% white British. If there was a civil war in the UK, and London became independent, would it be a settler colony? What if after independence it had much more liberal immigration policies and white British people became 5% of the population. London would then be a majority ethnically African/Asian country in a land historically white British. Is that a settler colony?

Regardless most people would consider it racist to refer to black/asian British people as “settlers”

 

[NAMELESS]

There is this narrative by zionist apologists that Palestinians are brought up suckling the teat of antisemitism and learning to hate any Jew they see before they learn to write.
Yet the evidence we get to see tells another story.

Well, if my dad and mom got killed in a bombing, I too would hold ill will towards whoever did it.

That much is obvious but to be fair, I think palestinians have more reasons as of now to hate the Israelis than the opposite (and I say that without justifying any act of violence from either side).

But this part of the world is just a big mess, and for other countries, it is a necessary mess. They benefit from it.

True.

 

[Logiko]

The thing is, “settler colonialism” is largely just a matter of perspective.

No.

Are Asian and African immigrants in Europe settlers?

No.

If no, at what point would they become settlers?

By taking the power. Subgegating the population. Oppressing the population. Racializing the population. Dehumanizing the population. Marginalizing the population. Exploiting the population.

Settler colonialism is a form of domination.

London is 36% white British. If there was a civil war in the UK, and London became independent, would it be a settler colony?

London would then be a majority ethnically African/Asian country in a land historically white British. Is that a settler colony?

Well, if my dad and mom got killed in a bombing, I too would hold ill will towards whoever did it.

Yeah... Palestinians are right to be angry.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Zionism is an extension of white supremacism

jews have always wanted to have an independent state in the holy land. The entire religion is based off of it. The difference between Zionist and religious antizionist Jews really just differs on when and how such a state will be created.

While there is certainly some overlap between white supremacy and Zionism, it really isn’t the same thing.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Zionism is an extension of white supremacism

No, but this one was funny. You can't be serious lol

 

[Midnight Delight]

Zionism is an extension of white supremacism

Most Jews in Israel are Middle Eastern

And Even the European ones are 1/4 haredim who are culturally Middle Eastern

 

[Monkey D Theories]

No.



No.



By taking the power. Subgegating the population. Oppressing the population. Racializing the population. Dehumanizing the population. Marginalizing the population. Exploiting the population.

Settler colonialism is a form of domination.







Yeah... Palestinians are right to be angry.

Yeah the only difference between immigrants and settlers is who has more power.

hence I say it is an arbitrary distinction