Controversial General Political Discussion

[Fn Lucci]

So Catholic Church is a cult?
Rabbinical Judaism?
Sufi sects?

... No. That's likely the opposite of what I'm saying, although I don't know enough about any of those three to see the need in arguing extensively on them.

I'm a 38 year old Sunni man in the US. Put me in a room with men from Egypt, Turkey, Sudan, Mali, and/or the UAE of the same age. You will find profoundly different lived experiences and concepts of influence despite our similarities. This is how you would describe a religion, not a cult.

 

[AL sama]

Imo, scientologists deserve to be in this section because it's been proven that they ran a giant clandestine campaign to blackmail the us government.

...

Operation Snow White was a criminal conspiracy by the Church of Scientology during the 1970s to purge unfavorable records about Scientology and its founder, L. Ron Hubbard. This project included a series of infiltrations into and thefts from 136 government agencies, foreign embassies and consulates, as well as private organizations critical of Scientology, carried out by Church members in more than 30 countries.[1] It was one of the largest infiltrations of the United States government in history,[2] with up to 5,000 covert agents.[3] This operation also exposed the Scientology plot "Operation Freakout", because Operation Snow White was the case that initiated the U.S. government's investigation of the Church.[3]

I believe I didn't know about it

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

I know, but I know, like at least fifty percent of all conspiracies.

And this is one of the most documented conspiracies of all time. So I got you. I just wanted to point out that there's a legitimate argument for discussing scientology in this thread.

They've had a lot of political dealings. Still up to you if you want to just keep Scientology in the religious thread, though, i can see arguments either way.

 

[Rej]

member: 34254"]Scientology is a cult buddy, not science

What's the difference between religion and cult[/QUOTE]
Religion happens on someone's own accord.
Cult happens through proactive recruitment and manipulation.

Me believing that humans are earth's cancer is just my religion.
But me becomming part of the catholic church when younger was clearly culting. I didnt even knew what was going on and church was lame a.f.

 

[Midnight Delight]

I'm a 38 year old Sunni man in the US. Put me in a room with men from Egypt, Turkey, Sudan, Mali, and/or the UAE of the same age. You will find profoundly different lived experiences and concepts of influence despite our similarities. This is how you would describe a religion, not a cult

Sunni is extremely vague like Protestant, you know that

Quranists Salafists Athari Asharis and Sufis are all Sunni

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

Religion happens on someone's own accord.
Cult happens through proactive recruitment and manipulation.

Me believing that humans are earth's cancer is just my religion.
But me becomming part of the catholic church when younger was clearly culting. I didnt even knew what was going on and church was lame a.f.

This.

Human history proves people naturally develop spiritual practices.

It's the coercion, the blackmail, the gas lighting, the distortion of truth that makes these cults absolute ass. It's the manipulation.

And that's why it's so hard to divorce.The political and religious conversations from each other.

They are incestuous as hell.

 

[AL sama]

I know, but I know, like at least fifty percent of all conspiracies.

And this is one of the most documented conspiracies of all time. So I got you. I just wanted to point out that there's a legitimate argument for discussing scientology in this thread.

They've had a lot of political dealings. Still up to you if you want to just keep Scientology in the religious thread, though, i can see arguments either way.

you're misunderstanding me

I brought his post back after looking tings up

although I don't think conspiracies don't belong here

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

you're misunderstanding me

I brought his post back after looking tings up

although I don't think conspiracies don't belong here

Sorry. Thanks for listening.

IMO it should depend on if they're political conspiracies, or conspiracy theories.

A conspiracy is a plot by one or more people to commit a crime. 9/11 is a conspiracy regardless of who committed it. The bombing of the Iranian Girl's School is a conspiracy. Criminal plots.

A lot of conspiracy theorists have no idea what conspiracy theories are. And it's very funny.

Take bigfoot. Conspiracy, theorists will complain about conspiracies, centering around the government and religion rather than fun stuff like bigfoot.

But bigfoot is not a conspiracy. Unless you're trying to tell me that bigfoot robbed a bank or something, unless there is some criminal plot involving bigfoot, bigfoot is a theory. There is no conspiracy here.

Sasquatch is not committing global crimes like the epstein class.

So, do you mean you don't think conspiracy theories should be here? Because political conspiracies are incredibly real and need to be discussed.

I'm still considering how to make the conspiracy general thread.

Should I make it a conspiracy theory thread then?

I've been trying to post more confirmed conspiracies in this thread rather than theories.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Sunni is extremely vague like Protestant, you know that

Quranists Salafists Athari Asharis and Sufis are all Sunni

... Yes, religions are broad ("Sunni" is still broad even if we're talking within Islam), where cults are not. You questioned the difference between a religion and a cult.

You can get into the weeds with sects I guess but if you're comparing one to a cult specifically I'm sure you'll find some obvious difference.

 

[AL sama]

Sorry. Thanks for listening.

IMO it should depend on if they're political conspiracies, or conspiracy theories.

A conspiracy is a plot by one or more people to commit a crime. 9/11 is a conspiracy regardless of who committed it. The bombing of the Iranian Girl's School is a conspiracy. Criminal plots.

A lot of conspiracy theorists have no idea what conspiracy theories are. And it's very funny.

Take bigfoot. Conspiracy, theorists will complain about conspiracies, centering around the government and religion rather than fun stuff like bigfoot.

But bigfoot is not a conspiracy. Unless you're trying to tell me that bigfoot robbed a bank or something, unless there is some criminal plot involving bigfoot, bigfoot is a theory. There is no conspiracy here.

Sasquatch is not committing global crimes like the epstein class.

So, do you mean you don't think conspiracy theories should be here? Because political conspiracies are incredibly real and need to be discussed.

I'm still considering how to make the conspiracy general thread.

Should I make it a conspiracy theory thread then?

I've been trying to post more confirmed conspiracies in this thread rather than theories.

I thought I told you to make a thread

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

You know, we should really reclaim the narrative regarding immigration.

Let's start calling MAGA what they are.

Foreign Invaders.

Cultists that are destroying America to rebuild it in their image, while serving russia and israel over the nation and it's people they swore to serve. Foreign Invaders complaining about poor children escaping the drug cartels, that they fund and aid.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pb...ernandez-freed-from-prison-after-trump-pardon

They are the foreign invaders.

Orange, foreign felons.

Trojan Orange.

Trojan horse was much bigger than trojan orange, though.

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

I thought I told you to make a thread

Yeah, i'm trying to put thought into how i'm gonna make it

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Totally

If it wasn’t for religion, nobody would care about Israel/palestine.

How many people care about conflicts in places like Sudan or Yemen?

 

[Midnight Delight]

... Yes, religions are broad ("Sunni" is still broad even if we're talking within Islam), where cults are not. You questioned the difference between a religion and a cult.

You can get into the weeds with sects I guess but if you're comparing one to a cult specifically I'm sure you'll find some obvious difference.

I mean mainstream Sunni Islam is decentralised compared to many other religions , especially within the context of Sunni literally meaning "tradition" and this tradition being based on Hadiths that nobody agrees on


For example
Where I am from Sunni Muslims visit Prophet Shrines , which is considered the "shirk al akbar" in places like the Khaleej

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1t4f50l
SPYWARE

 

[Fn Lucci]

I mean mainstream Sunni Islam is decentralised compared to many other religions , especially within the context of Sunni literally meaning "tradition" and this tradition being based on Hadiths that nobody agrees on


For example
Where I am from Sunni Muslims visit Prophet Shrines , which is considered the "shirk al akbar" in places like the Khaleej

Decentralized, nobody agrees on, and exclusive cultural references are telltale signs of the difference. I certainly can't define a cult by those features.

When I was a kid the Branch Davidians were a really big deal. I did a pretty tremendous dive into Synanon some years ago, also. I see a lot of people describe religion as brainwashing: some guy tells you what to think and how to live according to an epic narrative. I get it. But cults are really something different. More acute, more directed, charismatically lead, etc.

MAGA as a cult is sort of an exaggeration in some ways, but it's pretty crazy how similarly it works. Sure, that guy who shot his daughter could've found any crazy reason, but the culture is generally very consistent and pervasive. I've seen people I know turn completely against me in the most vulgar ways without even realizing that they've adopted a new ideology.

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

Our entire economy is a shitty scam run by old men in diapers screaming at the sky.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Economics/comments/1t4iq1i

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Our entire economy is a shitty scam run by old men in diapers screaming at the sky.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Economics/comments/1t4iq1i

This one REALLY pisses me off; there isn’t a single good reason why they can’t donate to food banks and homeless shelters (many of whom cater to malnourished/underprivileged people), it wouldn’t affect their bottom line or the bankruptcy procedure and it would be tremendous PR…but as usual, the cruelty is the point, we apparently don’t deserve ANYTHING good or helpful

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

Support towards or against Israel has nothing to do with religion

1/10 ragebait

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

This one REALLY pisses me off; there isn’t a single good reason why they can’t donate to food banks and homeless shelters (many of whom cater to malnourished/underprivileged people), it wouldn’t affect their bottom line or the bankruptcy procedure and it would be tremendous PR…but as usual, the cruelty is the point, we apparently don’t deserve ANYTHING good or helpful

They're just evil. Plain and simple.

And I can tolerate a lot of fucked up shit, because life can be really rough. I can root for people who've done messed up things if I know it's because they were really hurt, and I know they're actually trying to turn it around and put the effort in.

But at some point it becomes obvious where people are putting in the effort in.

These people put all their effort into being cruel and then blame everyone else but themselves.

The people who wanna be like Trump are terrified of responsibility and accountability for their own lives and actions.