Controversial General Political Discussion

Logiko

Logiko

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#77,501
AL sama said:
stop going off topic here
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uh ????

I don't mind the fact that you may not be aware of the subject but the oppression of the institution of psychiatry is a political subject. Please, bring back the posts, they are important.

NAMELESS said:
Fighting institutions isn't going to heal
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Not in urgency, or in individuality but collectively it is a necessity. People need to organize and be able to find both peers and take the treatment they need while dodging the violences.

NAMELESS said:
You need to address the root cause and not treat symptoms with drugs
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Sometimes the root cause is bigger than yourself and not something you can simply adress on your own.
 
Blax Blah

Blax Blah

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#77,506
NAMELESS said:
I don't think "fighting institutions/the system/capitalism" is what you need right now. I think you need to first chill and heal. Don't listen to advice that will clearly make you more bitter, stressed, and possibly re-traumatized right now.
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Thanks for the advice, I appreciate it, but you are also missing a lot of context, there was a lot said and explained in the messages Al chose to delete
 
Logiko

Logiko

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#77,511
AL sama said:
your posts didn't get moved
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Logiko said:
We already had this conversation. And while yes, the reality is that some people can't take care of themselves, the solution is not the complete bypass of consent. There are ways to create environment where peers can be of help. This is not what institutions are currently, they are more like ... well psychiatric institutions.



No, but I wouldn't just let them be in an abusing family where parents can be dangerous. The simple fact of being able to do things, does not mean, we have to have it. In this case, the solution is collective parentality. This reduces the risk of harm.



Because having a looser grasp at reality doesn't not necessarily means having no way to give consent or not to being aware of the violence and abuse of the psychiatric institution or a process of dehumanization.

Again, we are mad, not stupid, and it goes even for the people who have a more complicated relationship with reality too ("skyzophrenic" people for ex). Like children, we are people and like children, our environment shouldn't get to dispose of us like we are some burden without agency. That mentality is the reason children are abused in silence and the reason mad people face psychiatric abuse... also with silence.

The lack of grasp on reality is neither an excuse with kids neither an excuse with mad people.
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lol
 
Logiko

Logiko

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#77,515
NAMELESS said:
I think you might have missed some posts, but I and others have tried that, and communication failed hard on his part.
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Okamakama said:
Communication has failed. Now is the time for apathy.
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Both ways*
It failed both ways. It takes two to tango.

When you will realize that I'm not against you but what you are saying and that I would actually be willing to have nice conversation with you, we will make a big step. I won't move from the political position I'm in. It's ethically and physically impossible. (at least toward you) so... I guess you know what you need to do if you really want to have a real conversations.
 
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