Versus Battle Gilgamesh vs Yhwach
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With Senjmaru's feats, you can argue that Yhwach scales much higher than the royal guards. She was shaking the realms with just "the slightest use of her power" by activating her bankai. That's why they had the blood seal.
Unlike Yamamoto where you can argue the planet, this feat would include the actual realms with The World of the Living being our irl universe and the SS which mirrors it. We see these realms shaking and being affected.
Yhwach would be much higher than that and even if Gilgamesh was stronger with the Almighty, he should be able to negate anything Gil throws at him unless he has proper ways of countering it. Ichigo was technically stronger than Yhwach, but he wasn't able to do anything about it.
If someone can send some feats for Gil, I'd appreciate it since I don't know much about Fate.
Unlike Yamamoto where you can argue the planet, this feat would include the actual realms with The World of the Living being our irl universe and the SS which mirrors it. We see these realms shaking and being affected.
Yhwach would be much higher than that and even if Gilgamesh was stronger with the Almighty, he should be able to negate anything Gil throws at him unless he has proper ways of countering it. Ichigo was technically stronger than Yhwach, but he wasn't able to do anything about it.
If someone can send some feats for Gil, I'd appreciate it since I don't know much about Fate.
Even after Ichibe sealed the almighty from Yhwach with the left arm of the soul king, he still invaded soul society with his army of light, probably killed random soul reaper soldiers, challenged the og gotei thirteen to fight.
Got stabbed through the back by Chojuro of all things and finished off by Yamamoto bankai.
Got stabbed through the back by Chojuro of all things and finished off by Yamamoto bankai.
My dude, what the hell are you talking about?! The Almighty got screwed over by Kyoka Suigetsu, something that anything on the basic level of Illusionary Magecraft can do. The Almighty doesn't allow for Yhwach to hit well beyond his weight class(Hell, it has the exact opposite problem). Him seeing Infinite Futures doesn't matter for someone who can ALSO see Infinite Futures, the Soul of the Individual and has a weapon that can literally obliterate Time, Space and Reality itself...
I'm not fabricating any of that, Gilgamesh has those and is WELL past Yhwach's level.
And he still got stabbed by Chojuro so let's not pretend he's some omnipotent tank(Not to mention he had to use The Almighty to defeat Ichibei which, if anything does not mean he scales to Ichibei nor to Yamamoto's Bankai).
Let's also not forget that Ichigo's Bankai had him basically doing everything he can not to die to that... which is not "above anything Gilgamesh can do but Ea"(A strong enough Noble Phantasm can easily exceed Ichigo's Bankai).
I'm not fabricating any of that, Gilgamesh has those and is WELL past Yhwach's level.
And he still got stabbed by Chojuro so let's not pretend he's some omnipotent tank(Not to mention he had to use The Almighty to defeat Ichibei which, if anything does not mean he scales to Ichibei nor to Yamamoto's Bankai).
Let's also not forget that Ichigo's Bankai had him basically doing everything he can not to die to that... which is not "above anything Gilgamesh can do but Ea"(A strong enough Noble Phantasm can easily exceed Ichigo's Bankai).
Ichibei and Yhwach seemed about even in strength, it’s Ichibei’s hax Ichimonji that tipped things in his favor until Yhwach’s Almighty came into play.
We technically don’t have confirmation Yhwach beats Ichibei in the anime yet but it’s clear as day based on the trailers that it’s going to play out just like in the manga.
Oh and Soul King powers are allowed for Yhwach here as mentioned
We technically don’t have confirmation Yhwach beats Ichibei in the anime yet but it’s clear as day based on the trailers that it’s going to play out just like in the manga.
Oh and Soul King powers are allowed for Yhwach here as mentioned
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Whatever Noble Phantasm Gilgamesh pulls out Yhwach’s almighty ability can alter the future to his advantage and break it before it happens.
Heh Ichibei hax spell to prevent him from coming back got demolish before he can use it same thing is going to happen in cour three of bleach’s anime this year.
Heh Ichibei hax spell to prevent him from coming back got demolish before he can use it same thing is going to happen in cour three of bleach’s anime this year.
Without his armor and Shirou getting boosted to Servant tier status... and Gilgamesh didn't die and was perfectly fine despite the absurd battle damage he had(And didn't die getting shot in the head either). That's not actually going against my point...
Okay and? That's still not in the ballpark of the stronger Noble Phantasms in the series and you know it.
It requires his physical strength to do it, it's not automatic and it's not something he can do against the most powerful of Noble Phantasms(many of which go well past Planetary which is where SK Yhwach is at).
Again, Gilgamesh can very, very much see the future and The Almighty's activation is not instant or automatic:
https://onelastforum.com/threads/nasuverse-respect-thread.1842/#post-156092
Yeah, I watch Bleach, I know Bleach extremely well... that only shows that The Almighty can reverse shit like that through it's own use of looping time, I don't see how that stops him when his soul gets rended to shit, Gilgamesh's Ea tearing through Space and Time or just binding him with Enkidu which also binds him to Space amongst other things...
Yhwach is hugely overrated.
Okay and? That's still not in the ballpark of the stronger Noble Phantasms in the series and you know it.
It requires his physical strength to do it, it's not automatic and it's not something he can do against the most powerful of Noble Phantasms(many of which go well past Planetary which is where SK Yhwach is at).
Again, Gilgamesh can very, very much see the future and The Almighty's activation is not instant or automatic:
https://onelastforum.com/threads/nasuverse-respect-thread.1842/#post-156092
Yeah, I watch Bleach, I know Bleach extremely well... that only shows that The Almighty can reverse shit like that through it's own use of looping time, I don't see how that stops him when his soul gets rended to shit, Gilgamesh's Ea tearing through Space and Time or just binding him with Enkidu which also binds him to Space amongst other things...
Yhwach is hugely overrated.
That was before he unlocked it and that's not really an anti feat. It just shows Aizen can affect beings who can see infinite futures. Had Aizen tried to do it after, it wouldn't have worked.
His Almighty doesn't require his physical strength, unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, then what you just said isn't true. It is passive when it nullifies abilities and the future sight. He does change the futures himself, but it's instant when he does.
When he was weakened, caught off-guard, had his powers sealed, and had an inferior Almighty. SK Yhwach wouldn't be affected by Chojuro again.
Just want to clarify that he can see and change them all at the same time, he's not just looking at them, but he's also affecting them.
Most of the things are going to be similar, but there are new additions and some changes that will at least make it better. That Senjumaru thing already changed a lot.
His Almighty doesn't require his physical strength, unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, then what you just said isn't true. It is passive when it nullifies abilities and the future sight. He does change the futures himself, but it's instant when he does.
When he was weakened, caught off-guard, had his powers sealed, and had an inferior Almighty. SK Yhwach wouldn't be affected by Chojuro again.
Just want to clarify that he can see and change them all at the same time, he's not just looking at them, but he's also affecting them.
Most of the things are going to be similar, but there are new additions and some changes that will at least make it better. That Senjumaru thing already changed a lot.
Simply put, he’s among the strongest Servants in the whole setting.
His main NP is his Gates of Babylon which contains anything invented by mankind from wine to tactical nukes.
More importantly, it gives him access to every other weapon NP seen in the series that were made by man. So he can call upon his own Gae Bolg, Clarent, Harpe, Caladbolg, etc. that are just as powerful as the ones used by other Servants.
However, as pointed out by Shirou, Gil lacks the proficiency in using each of these weapons compared to their users so he’s limited to just launching the weapons as projectiles with whatever passive effects they have.
He can fire Gae Bolg and make use of its curse of causing incurable wounds for example but not its actual NP attacks like reversing causality to make a thrust impossible to dodge.
The only exceptions to these are his own personal Noble Phantasms: Enkidu, Sha Naqba Imuru, and Ea
Enkidu is a chained weapon meant for binding gods or those descended from them like Demi-gods, something Yhwach is, doubly so as the Soul King
The weapons bind and seal the opponent, and even trying to dematerialize and teleport the Servant away doesn’t work. In terms of limits, Heracles broke out of the chains while functionally dead already by breaking past his normal limits.
There’s Ea, one of the most powerful purely destructive NPs in the whole series. Gilgamesh aims the sword made of three rotating cyclinders that move with force comparable to tectonic shifts that gather massive amounts of prana and wind together before firing them as a huge pressurized blast that tears apart space and reality itself.
And finally there’s Sha Naqba Imuru which is Gil’s clairvoyance which allows him to see the truth of whatever’s before him: The person’s identity. their powers, whatever powers they have prepared, what their powers are, and any other secrets they might have, while also giving him set instructions on how to best deal with the enemy which works perfectly with his literal Swiss Army knife of weapons. It’s even wide reaching enough for him to see into the future of parallel worlds even.
Do keep in mind that sometimes his arrogance keeps him from making the full use of his clairvoyance like against Shirou due to his Faker Complex against him and Saber who he wanted to make his wife and wanted to keep her defiance against him going for as long as possible. Against both, he periodically shut off the clairvoyance enough to play with his food and end up being taken by surprise at his respective losses against them in both Fate and Unlimited Blade Works.
Bites him in the ass again in Heaven’s Feel where he gets a premonition of his death at Sakura’s hands that he’s so outraged by, he willingly shuts it off when confronting her. Predictably, it bites him in the ass where he underestimated her regeneration and gets eaten by her.
That said, against Yhwach whose both more than powerful enough to register as a genuine threat and someone Gil has no particular attitude towards, he’ll be more than willing to make use of his Clairvoyance against him.
His main NP is his Gates of Babylon which contains anything invented by mankind from wine to tactical nukes.
More importantly, it gives him access to every other weapon NP seen in the series that were made by man. So he can call upon his own Gae Bolg, Clarent, Harpe, Caladbolg, etc. that are just as powerful as the ones used by other Servants.
However, as pointed out by Shirou, Gil lacks the proficiency in using each of these weapons compared to their users so he’s limited to just launching the weapons as projectiles with whatever passive effects they have.
He can fire Gae Bolg and make use of its curse of causing incurable wounds for example but not its actual NP attacks like reversing causality to make a thrust impossible to dodge.
The only exceptions to these are his own personal Noble Phantasms: Enkidu, Sha Naqba Imuru, and Ea
Enkidu is a chained weapon meant for binding gods or those descended from them like Demi-gods, something Yhwach is, doubly so as the Soul King
The weapons bind and seal the opponent, and even trying to dematerialize and teleport the Servant away doesn’t work. In terms of limits, Heracles broke out of the chains while functionally dead already by breaking past his normal limits.
There’s Ea, one of the most powerful purely destructive NPs in the whole series. Gilgamesh aims the sword made of three rotating cyclinders that move with force comparable to tectonic shifts that gather massive amounts of prana and wind together before firing them as a huge pressurized blast that tears apart space and reality itself.
And finally there’s Sha Naqba Imuru which is Gil’s clairvoyance which allows him to see the truth of whatever’s before him: The person’s identity. their powers, whatever powers they have prepared, what their powers are, and any other secrets they might have, while also giving him set instructions on how to best deal with the enemy which works perfectly with his literal Swiss Army knife of weapons. It’s even wide reaching enough for him to see into the future of parallel worlds even.
Do keep in mind that sometimes his arrogance keeps him from making the full use of his clairvoyance like against Shirou due to his Faker Complex against him and Saber who he wanted to make his wife and wanted to keep her defiance against him going for as long as possible. Against both, he periodically shut off the clairvoyance enough to play with his food and end up being taken by surprise at his respective losses against them in both Fate and Unlimited Blade Works.
Bites him in the ass again in Heaven’s Feel where he gets a premonition of his death at Sakura’s hands that he’s so outraged by, he willingly shuts it off when confronting her. Predictably, it bites him in the ass where he underestimated her regeneration and gets eaten by her.
That said, against Yhwach whose both more than powerful enough to register as a genuine threat and someone Gil has no particular attitude towards, he’ll be more than willing to make use of his Clairvoyance against him.
Are we serious here? 
Gilgamesh gets absolutely destroyed. Soul King was powerful enough to seperate original universe into realms and Yhwach after becoming Soul King was mentioned multiple times to be capable of merging those realms back together. And those are not some small pocket dimentions like Reality Marble. Muken which is a simple subdomain is infinite in size. Becoming the Soul King makes you a lynchpin of almost entire Bleach cosmology. Your very existance keeps the multiverse from colapsing.
Sha Naqba Imuru is a useful ability, however Gilgamesh is a retard who restricts it and gets taken off guard and defeated by the likes of Sakura and Shirou. It also should get neged by Yhwach's ability to simply jump from one future to another.
Gilgamesh gets absolutely destroyed. Soul King was powerful enough to seperate original universe into realms and Yhwach after becoming Soul King was mentioned multiple times to be capable of merging those realms back together. And those are not some small pocket dimentions like Reality Marble. Muken which is a simple subdomain is infinite in size. Becoming the Soul King makes you a lynchpin of almost entire Bleach cosmology. Your very existance keeps the multiverse from colapsing.
Sha Naqba Imuru is a useful ability, however Gilgamesh is a retard who restricts it and gets taken off guard and defeated by the likes of Sakura and Shirou. It also should get neged by Yhwach's ability to simply jump from one future to another.