Versus Battle Guts in berserker armor vs Pre-timeskip Zoro

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Location: Doesnt matter, location wont have any impact in this fight.
Restriction: None.

Guts: Guts is the main protagonist of Berserk series. He was the former raid unit leader of a mercenary group known as the Band of the Hawk.
He has shown immense strength from young age. He wields a huge sword called "Dragonslayer", someone calculated in a forum and Dragonslayer approximately weighs 400 pounds. Guts has been fighting demons throughout the series and that makes him unbelievably strong.


Zoro: Pirate Hunter Roronoa Zoro needs no introduction in this forum. He is a member of the strawhat pirate crew and widely regarded as the second most dangerous member of the crew. He wields three swords and uses Nitouryu sword style.


Before going further, you must have noticed that the battle is when Guts in berserker armor.

Read the advantages of berserker armor from here if you have forgotten or if you dont know.
Guts was given a berserker armor by a witch. If Guts goes to Berserker mode with the suit, he doesnt bother about pain.
Thats why it makes him stronger. Faster and more agile. The armor reinforce his broken limbs. So the thing is, the armor doesnt heal him. The injuries remain. But the armor reinforces his injuries for the time being during the combat. In other words, to beat Guts in Berserker mode Zoro has to break all his bones or cut him to pieces so all the blood gushes out from his body. Its becoming tricky now, right?

First, I would compare their 5 major attributes. (1) Raw strength, (2) Speed, (3) AoE instead of destructive capacity, (4) Cutting power instead of swordsmanship, (5) Endurance/durability,

(1) Raw Strength:
Guts is unbelievably strong even without Berserker mode. He can swing that 400 pound sword with one hand like nothing. Guts can hold the same sword with his teeth.
He stopped a huge mast pretty easily.

A crane and a dozen people were needed to lift that mast. We can roughly guess that the mast is around 20 tons.

Guts was beating huge Makara Pisacha.
Each of those pisacha can drown 10 battleships!!


Unfortunately strength has to go to Zoro. One Piece verse is ridiculously stronger than Berserk verse. Just Zoro's training tells us how strong he is in base form. He is fingerlifting (!) 4 tons!!!
He was throwing buildings in Alabasta. Thats surely weighs ten or hunderd times more than the mast Guts stopped.


Conclusion: Zoro wins.

(2) Speed: Guts in Berserker armor was skipping past tornados. Those tornado were created by a wizard. He was targeting Guts.

Zoro can dodge bullets point blank range (against Tenryubito in Sabaody). Zoro also evaded a barrage of pad canon (against Kuma in thriller bak).

Conclusion: Draw.

(3) Area of Effect (AoE): Rather than destructive capacity I am going by area of effect of attacks. This has to go to Zoro. Zoro was cutting trains or buildings easily pre-TS. I cant remember Guts showing similar AoE.

Conclusion: Zoro wins

(4) Cutting power: Rather than going with "swordsmanship", I will compare their cutting power. Zoro cut steel in the beginning of the series.
He couldnt scratch Mr. 1 with the same attack. He later used something more powerful to cut him.

However, in cutting power Guts wins. Guts was able to crack Corundum.
The toughness of Corundum is 9 Moh. Diamond's toughness is 10 while steel's toughness is lower than 5.


Perhaps Zoro's cutting power is also on this level, but Guts has feats to support it directly. So Guts wins.

Conclusion: Guts wins.

(5) Endurance: Guts has some best endurance feats in manga history.

He cut his own hand.
He jumped into fire.
And this epic panel.
Note that all these feats are before getting the berserker armor.

Zoro also has similar endurance feats. He also nearly cut his leg for Dorry and Brogy. He also has one of the greatest endurance feat in manga history in Thriller Bak.

However Guts with berserker armor wins this simply due to the fact that Guts dont feel any pain in Berserker mode.

Conclusion: Guts wins.



Overall: This will be a very close match IMO, but pre-TS Zoro will come out as winner IMO. What do you guys think?
 

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I did not read Berserk yet, however from your detailed post, which I like btw, I could receive all the necessary information to give my comment on this match up. Speed I think is in Zoro's favour, with them being lighting timers all the way back in Skypea, and end of pre ts Zoro>>>Skypea Zoro. AOE could very well be in Zoro's favour as well, him having possessed the legendary Shusui a black blade containing Ryuma's haki which should logically make it stronger than normal pre ts Zoro swords. You have covered all the other points nicely, but imo this is a sure win for Zoro, not sure about the diff yet, as I said I have not read Berserk, so I am open to suggestions.
 

Elder Lee Hung

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I've read Berserk through twice. It is my favorite manga.

That said, the only version of Zoro that Berserker Armor Guts defeats is East Blue Zoro, and even that's debatable because East Blue Zoro has feats far above Berserker Armor Guts, unfortunately.

Berserker Armor Guts is amazingly strong but OP characters are just silly compared to him.
 

Cyrus the Cactus

Mihawk Reigns Supreme
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I have a bit of an issue with comparing Zoro's cutting of Mr. 1's steel with regular steel. Zoro was able to break 6 300kg swords while on death's door and with MUCH worse swords than Zoro has at Alabasta, and was able to match a Gum Gum Bazooka with a basic Onigiri - Gum Gum Bazooka was able to break wootz steel with two hits. All the hits that Zoro landed on Mr. 1 prior to Shishi Son Son did absolutely nothing to Daz, which shows Mr. 1's steel > regular steel, kinda like Luffy's rubber > normal rubber.

Having said that, I see pre-TS Zoro winning, especially if it's a fully healed Saobody Zoro. The gap in strength and speed alone makes this fight a bit mismatched, but I have a hard time determining the actual difficulty.
 
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I've read Berserk through twice. It is my favorite manga.

That said, the only version of Zoro that Berserker Armor Guts defeats is East Blue Zoro, and even that's debatable because East Blue Zoro has feats far above Berserker Armor Guts, unfortunately.

Berserker Armor Guts is amazingly strong but OP characters are just silly compared to him.
Guts coumd definitely tank EB Zoro's attacks.

You need post Alabasta zoro with viat to beat Guts
 
#9
I have a bit of an issue with comparing Zoro's cutting of Mr. 1's steel with regular steel. Zoro was able to break 6 300kg swords while on death's door and with MUCH worse swords than Zoro has at Alabasta, and was able to match a Gum Gum Bazooka with a basic Onigiri - Gum Gum Bazooka was able to break wootz steel with two hits. All the hits that Zoro landed on Mr. 1 prior to Shishi Son Son did absolutely nothing to Daz, which shows Mr. 1's steel > regular steel, kinda like Luffy's rubber > normal rubber.
I mentioned that in this thread
Zoro cut steel in the beginning of the series.
He couldnt scratch Mr. 1 with the same attack. He later used something more powerful to cut him.
But the point is Alabasta Zoro was far from cutting diamond IMO. The same cant be said about Guts who cracked corundum
 
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EB Zoro was shattering Hachan’s steel swords while mortally wounded. Each of his 8 swords weighed more than Dragonslayer. Individually.
Like @Nidai_Kitetsu said, Guts was able to cut conundum, which is more than twice harder than steel. This is nothing special, Idk how resistant the Berserker armor is, but I'm pretty sure it's hella resistant, also Guts has crazy speed with the armor, heck he's faster with it
 
#13
Like @Nidai_Kitetsu said, Guts was able to cut conundum, which is more than twice harder than steel. This is nothing special, Idk how resistant the Berserker armor is, but I'm pretty sure it's hella resistant, also Guts has crazy speed with the armor, heck he's faster with it
Tbh, Moh's a purely ordinal scale... corundum is probably like 10 times tougher than steel
 
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