Powers & Abilities Haki, from nothing to the skies and back to the ground again.

[Herrera95]

After 1030 we saw how a fodder like Law and his DF(now OP again) can ignore his target haki and damage him anyway, makes me think if Oda is now making haki thrash again so DF with their awakening will be relevant.

Since we have top tiers characters without DF like Shanks, Mihawk, Garp and so far Roger I used to think haki was the ultimate power for someone be strong.
And the beginning of the series DF specially the logias were the most important power.

What you guys think now?


I still think haki is the ultimate power. Just wandering why BM can't coat herself internally with it to prevent Law's attack.

 

[Started From D. Bottom]

Ur options are Most important power and Irrelevant. No middle ground?
Which is exactly what Haki is.

It's meant to balance overpowered Devil Fruit.
If overpowered DF's decided who is stronger it would get kind of stale but Devil Fruits are still the bread and butter of One Piece and it's best power system.

Haki is necessary to give people like Roger and Rayleigh a fighting chance.

Devil Fruit should always be relevant in the story.

 

[NAMELESS]

After 1030 we saw how a fodder like Law and his DF(now OP again) can ignore his target haki and damage him anyway, makes me think if Oda is now making haki thrash again so DF with their awakening will be relevant.

Since we have top tiers characters without DF like Shanks, Mihawk, Garp and so far Roger I used to think haki was the ultimate power for someone be strong.
And the beginning of the series DF specially the logias were the most important power.

What you guys think now?


I still think haki is the ultimate power. Just wandering why BM can't coat herself internally with it to prevent Law's attack.

I don't think there is a "ultimate power" in theory Haki has infinite pontential,while DF have a ceiling!But since haki only really blooms with extreme combat,it is very hard to become a real master of haki!DF increase you strength with no effort!

 

[Finalbeta]

Very important under specific situations but so can devil fruits be expecially if peculiarly haxxed.

 

[Herrera95]

Ur options are Most important power and Irrelevant. No middle ground?
Which is exactly what Haki is.

It's meant to balance overpowered Devil Fruit.
If overpowered DF's decided who is stronger it would get kind of stale but Devil Fruits are still the bread and butter of One Piece and it's best power system.

Haki is necessary to give people like Roger and Rayleigh a fighting chance.

Devil Fruit should always be relevant in the story.

Bread and Butter? Best Power System?
I guess we can say it is Bread and Butter since it gives most of the magic of One Piece just like Heroes Comic Books with their Super Powers. But not Power System, even less the best.
How can you say DF is a Power System? If non-DF users with Haki can be stronger than anyone with a DF. The only Power System of DF is like Magma being stronger than Fire.

I had no middle option because I lack of words. So I put the Other option.

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I don't think there is a "ultimate power" in theory Haki has infinite pontential,while DF have a ceiling!But since haki only really blooms with extreme combat,it is very hard to become a real master of haki!DF increase you strength with no effort!

Disagree about your last sentence. I would say only some DF increase your "strength" with no effort. Take Luffy for example, he become "immortal" to normal punches and bullets but not stronger.

 

[Doggo]

Trash system in general.

 

[York]

I still think haki is the ultimate power. Just wandering why BM can't coat herself internally with it to prevent Law's attack.

Even if coating yourself internally with Haki is a thing that can happen, 1. I don't think its something people would practice doing often, 2. Law caught her by surprise and 3. it doesn't matter anyway because Law's ability can presumably pass through and attack between the haki layers

 

[Jiihad]

People would maybe take you thread a bit more seriously, if you wasn’t posting with pure emotion

 

[Herrera95]

Even if coating yourself internally with Haki is a thing that can happen, 1. I don't think its something people would practice doing often, 2. Law caught her by surprise and 3. it doesn't matter anyway because Law's ability can presumably pass through and attack between the haki layers

I completely understand your 2 points, makes a lot sense. But not the third one. Law strictly chose to cause internal damage on her. So far we can't assume he would be able to cause her external damage using his awakening. So it is very possible that with internal coating BM could prevent any damage.

 

[draganax]

the battle system in one piece is trash, especially when it comes to haki, it is by far the worst power system i've ever seen.

didn't law say that kaido and big mom are protected by powerful haki at all times.
apparently haki can't protect a yonko from the inside, and they damaged by haki-less attacks, which is just retarded.

i stopped taking this story seriously once zoro got pierced by freaking nails ffs, when we know that CoA can block cannon balls, and zoro is supposed to be the CoA specialist, but he didn't use it, not even to block killer's stab.

zoro could cut kaido, but now he can't cut king, so what the hell does that means: did zoro get weaker somehow? or, is king more durable than kaido?

let's not even talk about sanji, oda embarrassingly failed to give him justice. he never used hardening, but a casual fodder marine can use it and powerful enough to block the bird cage's strings.

only luffy gets to freely use all kinds of haki.

 

[Rmstorm]

the battle system in one piece is trash, especially when it comes to haki, it is by far the worst power system i've ever seen.

didn't law say that kaido and big mom are protected by powerful haki at all times.
apparently haki can't protect a yonko from the inside, and they damaged by haki-less attacks, which is just retarded.

i stopped taking this story seriously once zoro got pierced by freaking nails ffs, when we know that CoA can block cannon balls, and zoro is supposed to be the CoA specialist, but he didn't use it, not even to block killer's stab.

zoro could cut kaido, but now he can't cut king, so what the hell does that means: did zoro get weaker somehow? or, is king more durable than kaido?

let's not even talk about sanji, oda embarrassingly failed to give him justice. he never used hardening, but a casual fodder marine can use it and powerful enough to block the bird cage's strings.

only luffy gets to freely use all kinds of haki.

And Still Luffy did not use Internal Destruciton haki on ulti and page one; indicating plot shield for them.

 

[Finalbeta]

And Still Luffy did not use Internal Destruciton haki on ulti and page one; indicating plot shield for them.

He simply didn't feel it necessary I bet.

 

[Kiiro]

The thing is not that Haki does not matter, it is just that Haki is the term of power for power.

While DF might give all kind of atributes, such as Sugar being to erase someone from existence. That power to someone such as Shanks, will be the most broken thing, 1 touch and you are out. While it wont be hard to defeat Sugar if you know about it.

Law DF is said to be an ultimate level kind. So it might be something expected in somehow.

 

[Finalbeta]

Sugar's DF is one of the most haxxed things in the verse but if she can't touch or affect the opponent it's useless.

 

[Herrera95]

The thing is not that Haki does not matter, it is just that Haki is the term of power for power.

While DF might give all kind of atributes, such as Sugar being to erase someone from existence. That power to someone such as Shanks, will be the most broken thing, 1 touch and you are out. While it wont be hard to defeat Sugar if you know about it.

Law DF is said to be an ultimate level kind. So it might be something expected in somehow.

What about hakiless/DFless Strawhats beating Haki/DF users mid level threat like Tobiroppos?

 

[Kiiro]

What about hakiless/DFless Strawhats beating Haki/DF users mid level threat like Tobiroppos?

Didnt Robin was the only one that really had 1 vs 1? Well, Robin was with the revos, so even if she is not that strong, she is strong for sure. She had an extreme diff battle where she surpassed her limits. So that is the only battle from all the strawhats that really fits in your argument.

While Jimbei already knew haki and Franky did not use his body, he used his tecnology, tecnology that is studied by someone as Vegapunk. Vegapunk already even created a force that could replace the warlords, Franky being able to defeat a person at best at Yc3 tier or Veteran is not bad, since he does not depend on his power, but on his creations.

 

[Herrera95]

Didnt Robin was the only one that really had 1 vs 1? Well, Robin was with the revos, so even if she is not that strong, she is strong for sure. She had an extreme diff battle where she surpassed her limits. So that is the only battle from all the strawhats that really fits in your argument.

While Jimbei already knew haki and Franky did not use his body, he used his tecnology, tecnology that is studied by someone as Vegapunk. Vegapunk already even created a force that could replace the warlords, Franky being able to defeat a person at best at Yc3 tier or Veteran is not bad, since he does not depend on his power, but on his creations.

Dude, you are out of line.

Robin didn't surpassed any limit. She used her ultimate move to beat Black Maria. This is more or less Luffy using G2 to beat Blueno. Very different from Luffy using G2 like 3 times against Lucci and also G3, that was a fight he surpassed his limits.
Robin most likely mid diffed Black Maria.

Why the hell you brought Jinbei? Of course I'm not talking about him. Jinbei before Sanji BS power up was the 3rd strongest, even stronger than Luffy G4.

Vegapunk's technology that Franky used was like outdated wasn't? From an old lab that wasn't even working anymore. There shouldn't have anything better than Pacifista like, which is basically his Laser Beam. You are basically telling me that Pacifistas are stronger than Tobiroppo which is ridiculous.

And what the fuck are Veterans?

 

[Tai long]

Dude, you are out of line.

Robin didn't surpassed any limit. She used her ultimate move to beat Black Maria. This is more or less Luffy using G2 to beat Blueno. Very different from Luffy using G2 like 3 times against Lucci and also G3, that was a fight he surpassed his limits.
Robin most likely mid diffed Black Maria.

Why the hell you brought Jinbei? Of course I'm not talking about him. Jinbei before Sanji BS power up was the 3rd strongest, even stronger than Luffy G4.

Vegapunk's technology that Franky used was like outdated wasn't? From an old lab that wasn't even working anymore. There shouldn't have anything better than Pacifista like, which is basically his Laser Beam. You are basically telling me that Pacifistas are stronger than Tobiroppo which is ridiculous.

And what the fuck are Veterans?

Pre time skip luffy that did not know haki would beat some haki users

 

[Kiiro]

Dude, you are out of line.

Robin didn't surpassed any limit. She used her ultimate move to beat Black Maria. This is more or less Luffy using G2 to beat Blueno. Very different from Luffy using G2 like 3 times against Lucci and also G3, that was a fight he surpassed his limits.
Robin most likely mid diffed Black Maria.

Why the hell you brought Jinbei? Of course I'm not talking about him. Jinbei before Sanji BS power up was the 3rd strongest, even stronger than Luffy G4.

Vegapunk's technology that Franky used was like outdated wasn't? From an old lab that wasn't even working anymore. There shouldn't have anything better than Pacifista like, which is basically his Laser Beam. You are basically telling me that Pacifistas are stronger than Tobiroppo which is ridiculous.

And what the fuck are Veterans?

1.- Mmm I see Robin's fight as an Extreme diff battle, she got out there barely standing while she had to use her ultimate move. When I say surpass her limit, I refer to her using all she has. At the end, this little kind of fights will boost her stats. In this fight she witnessed the limits of her power and what she could really do with them. But you can chose to ignore me.

2.- I dont see Jimbei stronger than Gear 4...

3.- You are right, it was outdated, yet Franky had his own research, so what he could find in the lab and his knowledge, it is not to farfetched that he could do a robot strongly enough to fight a Veteran tier or a character with Yc3 tier defense IMO. I mean, that is what robots are, heavy metal hard to break them down.

4.- Pacifistas gave trouble to the whole crew, when their captain could already defeat a character respected by Vice Admirals such as Lucci, they are indeed strong. I never said that Pacifista are stronger than Tobiroppo.

And veterans are top fighters below Yonko Commanders.

 

[Master OF Haki]

From the moment Oda revealed that you can become a "top tier" without DFs, was the moment when the DFs were reduced to "mere" weapon status. Let me ask you a question: can you become a top tier ONLY by DF ability? The obvious answer is no. But you can become a top tier with haki ONLY, you don't even need a weapon, look at Garp for example.

Garp is a unique but "exemplary" case: Garp fought against people who had both DF and powerful weapons, but yet, Garp was on equal footing with them, hell, we even Know that Garp and Roger, who btw had his Saijō Ō Wazamono Ace, fought against each other numerous times but dispite that advantage Garp was equal to Roger himself.

Let me bring another example: Whitbeard who was known as the WSM and had "the most powerful paramecia ability," one of the 12 Saijō Ō Wazamono and advanced haki, and DISPITE all of these advantages Roger was OFFICIALLY said to be EQUAL to Whitbeard, and I would even argue that he was portrayed to be stronger than Whitbeard.

We can see these examples again and again like Oden vs Kaido, Shanks vs Whitbeard etc. Where DFs were reduced to nothing. For Oda, DFs are a way to "restrain" a character for becoming TOO powerful, otherwise Oda has to eliminate their haki like in case of Meme...

Oda gave Meme a DF and advanced haki, but that became an obstacle In front of Oda's narrative, now he has to eliminate Meme's haki with ZERO explanation. Kid and Law's fans are too preoccupied with trash talking to care, while the rest are more than willing to close their eyes on that just to get rid off Meme as fast as possible.