Powers & Abilities Haki Swordsmanship is Weight..

[ImmaIvanoM]

It does because the amount of intent(will) communicated through the Blade for a Flying Slash and a normal Slash is nowhere
near the same.. Especially a normal Slash like when Zoro cut Monet where there was Zero intent of cutting(wounding) behind it..

Wait, now you are saying it’s up to Zoro?

you said it’s the sword that’s deciding to produce haki slashes… Bow you’re saying it depends on Zoro’s intent

Which is it? Is it Zoro with haki or is it the sword? Remember that Haki is will power… So I’m asking is it the Sword’s WILL that’s cutting things or is it Zoro’s WILL

the two things can’t both be happening at the same time

 

[zzShinichi]

I have a lot of weight so I'm a master sworrdman now

 

[Rootbeer]

Wait, now you are saying it’s up to Zoro?

you said it’s the sword that’s deciding to produce haki slashes… Bow you’re saying it depends on Zoro’s intent

Which is it? Is it Zoro with haki or is it the sword? Remember that Haki is will power… So I’m asking is it the Sword’s WILL that’s cutting things or is it Zoro’s WILL

the two things can’t both be happening at the same time

Bro whether you're disingenuous or not i gave you all the pieces, the rest is up to you..

 

[zorovsanji]

Rootbeer doesn't want Roger/shanks to be labeled swordsman so he wants Zoro to have no adcoc coz that means Roger has the same fighting style as Zoro if he has.

But it is what is, shanks has the same style as Roger so Roger is now a confirmed swordsman. And if you still don't believe it, then him naming his son the same as his sword means he's as hardcore of a swordsman as Zoro. So the debate is really over. Swordsmen are the strongest and mihawk numbawan.

 

[Murilo]

When did Zoro first use Haki?.. Alabasta?.. No..
When did Zoro first use a Flying Slash?.. Skypiea?.. No..


He first used those in Arlong Park..

And Zoro referenced CoA by telling Hacchi that his Blades were '' Heavier '' than him..
Obviously as Hacchi pointed out, his Blades were physically way more heavy than Zoro's so
there's a deeper meaning here..

Yet Zoro proceeds to cut them all up..

I'll do you one better:

He first used it unconsciously at Baratie.

During the final clash, Mihawk aimed to break his swords, yet only 2 broke...
Later, during the flashback in Dressrosa, Mihawk said that if they were clad in Haki, they wouldn't have broken...

1+1=2

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Bro whether you're disingenuous or not i gave you all the pieces, the rest is up to you..

Of course I don’t believe a goddamn thing you ever say my guy

but at the very least your headcanon should make sense whether I believe it or not

Your headcanon always breakdown on the simplest thing, such as Zoro having the same black lightning as Kaido and Yamato

and now this in you long long breakdown of swords producing haki? You forgot we have a direct panel stating Shusui doesn’t have haki

now you are fighting to say SOMETIMES Shusui has haki, and sometimes Zoro does

hilarious

btw, inconsistencies exist even in the canon manga, when it comes to how powers work or are depicted… the problem is that all your headcanons come with glaring holes from the very first sentence you alway write down

 

[Rootbeer]

Of course I don’t believe a goddamn thing you ever say my guy

but at the very least your headcanon should make sense whether I believe it or not

Your headcanon always breakdown on the simplest thing, such as Zoro having the same black lightning as Kaido and Yamato

and now this in you long long breakdown of swords producing haki? You forgot we have a direct panel stating Shusui doesn’t have haki

now you are fighting to say SOMETIMES Shusui has haki, and sometimes Zoro does

hilarious

btw, inconsistencies exist even in the canon manga, when it comes to how powers work or are depicted… the problem is that all your headcanons come with glaring holes from the very first sentence you alway write down

It's like you can't think for yourself and need everything to be spelled out for you..

The more Zoro uses strenght on Shusui the more Shusui is likely to activate and that's what happens when Zoro reach the threshold of flying slashes..

Flying Slash>>>(Intent treshold)>>>>>>Haki base Slash>>>>>>>>>>Base Slash>>>>>>>>>Base Slash(no intent to cut)

Passed a certain point of power used, which are flying slashes.. Shusui will apply Haki to Flying Slashes..

Sandai Kitetsu - Cuts when not asked to
Shusui - Add more power to Flying Slash then required
Enma - Cut more than what is asked, Creates Flying Slash instead of Base Slash

All special Blades are like that..

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

The more Zoro uses strenght on Shusui the more Shusui is likely to activate and that's what happens when Zoro reach the threshold of flying slashes..

Again Haki is will… That’s the definition… whose will is it… Is it the sword’s will or is it Zoro’s will

does Shusui have its own will that produces haki? Does it choose by itself independent of Zoro so produce haki since WILL implies it’s independently sentient?

You’re lying by saying flying slashes have more haki than regular slashes because we know for a fact that Zoro’s strongest attacks are all NOT flying slashes… I’m pretty sure Zoro’s never defeated a single opponent with a flying slash

So no, flying slashes aren’t stronger than regular slashes and do not have more haki than regular slashes

so once again, please find an explanation for why Shusui didn’t cut Monet yet Shusui has an independent will that produces haki without Zoro

 

[Rootbeer]

Again Haki is will… That’s the definition… whose will is it… Is it the sword’s will or is it Zoro’s will

does Shusui have its own will that produces haki? Does it choose by itself independent of Zoro so produce haki since WILL implies it’s independently sentient?

You’re lying by saying flying slashes have more haki than regular slashes because we know for a fact that Zoro’s strongest attacks are all NOT flying slashes… I’m pretty sure Zoro’s never defeated a single opponent with a flying slash

So no, flying slashes aren’t stronger than regular slashes and do not have more haki than regular slashes

so once again, please find an explanation for why Shusui didn’t cut Monet yet Shusui has an independent will that produces haki without Zoro

Ok you're really disingenuous at this point i'm fed up.. Tell when you're really trying to understand where i'm coming from..

 

[Peroroncino]

Bodied

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Ok you're really disingenuous at this point i'm fed up.. Tell when you're really trying to understand where i'm coming from..

I’m asking about where your coming from

You keep either avoiding answering the questions or you make up more shit like flying slashes having more haki than regular slashes

I will not passively agree to your nonsense

 

[Rootbeer]

I’m asking about where your coming from

You keep either avoiding answering the questions or you make up more shit like flying slashes having more haki than regular slashes

I will not passively agree to your nonsense

I said Intent, it doesn't necessarly correlate to Haki, when Zoro does 36 pound attack there's no Haki in it.. It's a regular Flying Slash..

The Threshold for Shusui to respond and give it's on input depends on the force Zoro put in said attack..

If your post is not coherent or diverting on purpose, i won't respond..

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

The Threshold for Shusui to respond and give it's on input depends on the force Zoro put in said attack..

and Shusui doesn’t give its Haki to Zoro when he cuts Monet?

So this is your stance regarding Zoro, that Zoro doesn’t have haki… His swords simply decide when to give him haki and when not to give him haki

right? Because Zoro didn’t cut Monet because his sword decided not to give him haki… And Zoro uses AdvCoC in Wano because Enma gave him its AdvCoC (remember that you have failed to prove the difference between Zoro and Kaido regarding AdvCoC black lightning)

You are therefore saying Zoro has never used haki and is simply at the mercy of his swords deciding to give him haki

okay

Do you have an explanation for why Enma was directly said to work by using the Swordsman’s own haki,.. Why was this said about Enma?

 

[Rootbeer]

and Shusui doesn’t give its Haki to Zoro when he cuts Monet?

So this is your stance regarding Zoro, that Zoro doesn’t have haki… His swords simply decide when to give him haki and when not to give him haki

right? Because Zoro didn’t cut Monet because his sword decided not to give him haki… And Zoro uses AdvCoC in Wano because Enma gave him its AdvCoC (remember that you have failed to prove the difference between Zoro and Kaido regarding AdvCoC black lightning)

You are therefore saying Zoro has never used haki and is simply at the mercy of his swords deciding to give him haki

okay

Do you have an explanation for why Enma was directly said to work by using the Swordsman’s own haki,.. Why was this said about Enma?

You're taking this out of proportion..

Shusui apply Haki only when Zoro wants to create a Flying Slash.. It's not more complicated than that..

There's no give and take, special Swords help amplify the user's original attack and it's specifically related to Flying Slashes..

When Enma was unstable?.. Mind you, Zoro never mastered Shusui either..

 

[Alpha]

@Rootbeer Ive come to bargain!

Join the sanji fandom. You've proven to be a valuable asset.

 

[Rootbeer]

@Rootbeer Ive come to bargain!

Join the sanji fandom. You've proven to be a valuable asset.

You're a Sanji fan?..

I'm already a Sanji fan.. I made a thread about him explaining that his Poele a Frire technique is him using CoA Barrier level 2 and that Haki can be flowed in Fire and Substances..

 

[Alpha]

I'm already a Sanji fan..

@Peroroncino @mly90 @GUI @Reborn
Guys, everything makes sense.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

You're taking this out of proportion..

Shusui apply Haki only when Zoro wants to create a Flying Slash.. It's not more complicated than that..

There's no give and take, special Swords help amplify the user's original attack and it's specifically related to Flying Slashes..

When Enma was unstable?.. Mind you, Zoro never mastered Shusui either..

Who told you Zoro didn’t master Shusui? Zoro trained with Shusui for two years, who told you he didn’t master it?

Okay here’s a simple question, why do swords choose not to give Zoro haki outside of flying slashes?

and if Enma only gives Zoro AdvCoC haki when he makes flying slashes, how come there is black lighting on Zoro’s attacks when they aren’t flying slashes? Remember Zoro doesn’t have AdvCoC, only Enma has AdvCoC, right?

 

[Lor D. Coast]

Flying slashes>slashes? Zoro has been stronger than Shanks and Fuji since pts.