Speculations Harsh truth Luffy might learn about Shanks

[Fallen Prince]

I wrote this in Narutoforum will add in here as well .

Here is why i think Luffy will have to fight his idol shanks in the future this will be related to tragedy of Ace's death and upcoming war against World Govt !


Shanks has been Neutral so far in this war , he is kind of guy who wants status queue to be running . We have yet to see why Marines and Gorosei respect him so much ?

From the recent chapters about Yamato and relationship of her father adds layer of pattern to me they dont really hate -hate relationship . Kaido calling his daughter "son" and cages her in onigashima but oddly proclaims he wants his "son" to be shogun . Thic clearly indicates Kaido is fond of his daughter and he probably cares about her [ Kaido's antics can now be understood why he is suicidal its possible Yamato does not look upto him] . PS: Kaido is bad father but that's another thread !

So why did i add Yamato 's relationship with kaido got to do with shanks ?

A: If anyone remember Shanks briefly stopped kaido from taking on Whitebeard crew but it ends in stalemate with both of them not being shown .

What if ? Yamato was the prime reason kaido decides to leave the country to bring back Ace , Yamato cared for Ace . Its possible she wanted her father to save him from execution and Kaido obeyed just like father cares for his daughter .

Question is what did Shanks do to convince Kaido to leave Marineford to him ?
A: Its obvious Kaido was not there to fight sick old whitebeard considering we have seen kaido has great respect for people who are among his equal . (His fight against Oden is proof) he believes in fair fight and has respect for enemies .

Kaido probably wanted to bring Ace for his daughter and Shanks most likely had disengaged with kaido regards to World govt that made them spare . Is it possible Shanks said something to kaido that changed his mind its possible ? We know Kaido's aim was to build greatest war world it has to do with whatever Shanks interated with him making it less possible for kaido to leave his mission .


So if Kaido was stopped from invading marineford because of Shanks negotiation , what will be luffy's and Yamato's reaction when they find out Shanks was the real reason Marines won and it lead to death of Whitebeard and Ace ? Will Luffy change his mind on Shanks and fight his idol ?


What do you think of this speculative idea of mine !

 

[Topi Jerami]

Yep it's very possible.
I guess the offpanelled moment between Kaido and Shanks went more or less like this

Kaido: Move out of the way, I will go to Marineford to save my son's friend
Shanks: *backed by his entire crew* No.
Kaido: Do you want to fight?
Shanks: I don't want to fight, but do you want to lose CP0 backing??
Kaido: *leaves*

 

[Fallen Prince]

Yep it's very possible.
I guess the offpanelled moment between Kaido and Shanks went more or less like this

Kaido: Move out of the way, I will go to Marineford to save my son's friend
Shanks: *backed by his entire crew* No.
Kaido: Do you want to fight?
Shanks: I don't want to fight, but do you want to lose CP0 backing??
Kaido: *leaves*

Shit that would be hilarious !

 

[MD Zolo]

Firstly, though it is not the main sentiment of the thread: Marines would've won no matter who came. And WB/Ace would've died no matter who came. Kaido coming wouldn't have any difference. Kaido and BM have joined forces now and still need the ancient weapons to beat Marines.

Secondly, Kaido doesn't have all that affection for Yamato so as to rescue Ace. Kaido wants Yamato locked up whereas Ace-Yamato is a relationship based on freedom. Doesn't work!!

Thirdly, Kaido still had Oden killed, didn't he? If he was there, he was there to fight WB. Kaido is not as honorable as people thinking of him.

Finally, if Shanks and Luffy fights, it will because of betrayal at an ideological level, not because of Ace. At this point, Luffy has accepted that Ace made his own choice. Luffy will fight Shanks if it appears that Shanks wanted Luffy to destroy the world by triggering One Piece.

 

[Fallen Prince]

Firstly, though it is not the main sentiment of the thread: Marines would've won no matter who came. And WB/Ace would've died no matter who came. Kaido coming wouldn't have any difference. Kaido and BM have joined forces now and still need the ancient weapons to beat Marines.

Secondly, Kaido doesn't have all that affection for Yamato so as to rescue Ace. Kaido wants Yamato locked up whereas Ace-Yamato is a relationship based on freedom. Doesn't work!!

Thirdly, Kaido still had Oden killed, didn't he? If he was there, he was there to fight WB. Kaido is not as honorable as people thinking of him.

Finally, if Shanks and Luffy fights, it will because of betrayal at an ideological level, not because of Ace. At this point, Luffy has accepted that Ace made his own choice. Luffy will fight Shanks if it appears that Shanks wanted Luffy to destroy the world by triggering One Piece.

It will connect to the things we will see in future , its true luffy will feel betrayed Shanks stopped Kaido from the war . It certainly would have tilted in any direction .

I honestly think its speculation what would happen with kaido and WB on same stage . I would say Marines would have won but i am certain Ace wouldnt have died .

Other thing is Luffy will fight Shanks on ideology i am pretty sure Luffy will not question about Ace to shanks , more things will uncover as things proceed like his links with WG and maintaing status queue in the world .

And your third part of the Quote we dont know so far what kaido actually thinks about his daughter ? His suicidal tendencies and calling his daughter son has bearings of"Overprotective" dad theme i come across .
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Its even murky how Shanks and kaido disengaged so fast ? What did Shanks say to kaido that stopped him from reaching Marineford .

 

[Constantine]

Nice theory. Something like this happens then Shanks will definitely be in my top 10
I think Shank's motive like the elders is to maitain balance in the world so I wouldnt exactly call him a villain. And youre right this gives Luffy an incentive to fight Shanks seriously going all out.

Firstly, though it is not the main sentiment of the thread: Marines would've won no matter who came. And WB/Ace would've died no matter who came. Kaido coming wouldn't have any difference. Kaido and BM have joined forces now and still need the ancient weapons to beat Marines.

Secondly, Kaido doesn't have all that affection for Yamato so as to rescue Ace. Kaido wants Yamato locked up whereas Ace-Yamato is a relationship based on freedom. Doesn't work!!

Thirdly, Kaido still had Oden killed, didn't he? If he was there, he was there to fight WB. Kaido is not as honorable as people thinking of him.

Finally, if Shanks and Luffy fights, it will because of betrayal at an ideological level, not because of Ace. At this point, Luffy has accepted that Ace made his own choice. Luffy will fight Shanks if it appears that Shanks wanted Luffy to destroy the world by triggering One Piece.

I disagree. Whitebeard and Kaido woud give the them very good fight and maybe even win

 

[Fallen Prince]

@MD Zolo

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Thirdly, Kaido still had Oden killed, didn't he? If he was there, he was there to fight WB. Kaido is not as honorable as people thinking of him.
"

Yes , but i never said he is good guy . He even said to oden that he killed the kurozumi grannie so he hated her for interfering their fight .

 

[Tobra]

i dislike this theory because that’s not kaido we see i believe kaido wanted a son not a daughter and he wanted her to be what he wanted her to be a ruthless strong person and he disappointed with how yamato turned out

i think kaido was going to marineford for the reason we thought before yamato introduction

i hate humanizing characters who shouldn’t be like treating doflamingo like it was all because he was raised that way as if he was brainwashed or senior pink like he’s a tragic character who didn’t deserve what happened to him and now with kaido is ruthless,merciless a backstabber,sore loser him being a supportive father is contrary to what we’ve seen

 

[Fujishiro]

Firstly, though it is not the main sentiment of the thread: Marines would've won no matter who came. And WB/Ace would've died no matter who came. Kaido coming wouldn't have any difference. Kaido and BM have joined forces now and still need the ancient weapons to beat Marines.

Secondly, Kaido doesn't have all that affection for Yamato so as to rescue Ace. Kaido wants Yamato locked up whereas Ace-Yamato is a relationship based on freedom. Doesn't work!!

Thirdly, Kaido still had Oden killed, didn't he? If he was there, he was there to fight WB. Kaido is not as honorable as people thinking of him.

Finally, if Shanks and Luffy fights, it will because of betrayal at an ideological level, not because of Ace. At this point, Luffy has accepted that Ace made his own choice. Luffy will fight Shanks if it appears that Shanks wanted Luffy to destroy the world by triggering One Piece.

Kaido and BM are allying to conquer the world and their alliance is a direct countermeasure to WG( not just the marines so why did you say the marines, unless you can’t read) SSG, getting ancient weapons is to go over just countering them but actually conquer the world and any opposition.

 

[trav]

its clears as day that Shanks and Kaido have not fought.
there is no way that either of them would come out unscathed.
some kind of negotiation happened and that ultimately led to the marines victory.

valid theory. I like it.

 

[BangOO🍅]

Long title and good title "Harsh truth Luffy might learn about Shanks"

Short title and rude title "Shanks D. Snitch"

 

[Kurodiamondo]

I think kaido only wants to participate in every war

 

[style]

Yep it's very possible.
I guess the offpanelled moment between Kaido and Shanks went more or less like this

Kaido: Move out of the way, I will go to Marineford to save my son's friend
Shanks: *backed by his entire crew* No.
Kaido: Do you want to fight?
Shanks: I don't want to fight, but do you want to lose CP0 backing??
Kaido: *leaves*

This is gold

 

[Finalbeta]

I think kaido only wants to participate in every war

He is a man to attempted to kill himself so I can see that

He just lives without rules

He isn't interested in all of this crap

That is why Shanks probably stopped him via force and not diplomacy:)

 

[Fallen Prince]

i dislike this theory because that’s not kaido we see i believe kaido wanted a son not a daughter and he wanted her to be what he wanted her to be a ruthless strong person and he disappointed with how yamato turned out

i think kaido was going to marineford for the reason we thought before yamato introduction

i hate humanizing characters who shouldn’t be like treating doflamingo like it was all because he was raised that way as if he was brainwashed or senior pink like he’s a tragic character who didn’t deserve what happened to him and now with kaido is ruthless,merciless a backstabber,sore loser him being a supportive father is contrary to what we’ve seen

This is neat trick from oda we have no proof if kaido really hates his daughter ?

However , you can see kaido is not necessarily complete heartless monster.

1. Yamato cosplays as oden and want people to see her as oden. Though, Kaido treats her badly by chaining he still respects yamato's behavior.

2. Yamato has not complained about gender issue so far so there is more into this story of dad-daughter relationship.
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Long title and good title "Harsh truth Luffy might learn about Shanks"

Short title and rude title "Shanks D. Snitch"

There are theories he might be son of xebec, if its true then he probably hates the ideals of pirate utopia or pirate ruling over the world.

No wonder he saw threat in blackbeard.

 

[Worst]

It will connect to the things we will see in future , its true luffy will feel betrayed Shanks stopped Kaido from the war . It certainly would have tilted in any direction .

I honestly think its speculation what would happen with kaido and WB on same stage . I would say Marines would have won but i am certain Ace wouldnt have died .

Other thing is Luffy will fight Shanks on ideology i am pretty sure Luffy will not question about Ace to shanks , more things will uncover as things proceed like his links with WG and maintaing status queue in the world .

And your third part of the Quote we dont know so far what kaido actually thinks about his daughter ? His suicidal tendencies and calling his daughter son has bearings of"Overprotective" dad theme i come across .
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Its even murky how Shanks and kaido disengaged so fast ? What did Shanks say to kaido that stopped him from reaching Marineford .

I agree with 2 and 3

But if Kaido had joined the War he and WB would have washed the navy lol and that's just if Kaido alone had showed up imagine if he had his crew too, he's not like WB once he sees a target he goes for it WB had to do strategies also bc he couldn't use his full DF power or he alone could have wiped out Marineford Kaido doesn't give a fuck about who's in his way friend or foe

 

[Jo_Ndule]

Firstly, though it is not the main sentiment of the thread: Marines would've won no matter who came. And WB/Ace would've died no matter who came. Kaido coming wouldn't have any difference. Kaido and BM have joined forces now and still need the ancient weapons to beat Marines.

Secondly, Kaido doesn't have all that affection for Yamato so as to rescue Ace. Kaido wants Yamato locked up whereas Ace-Yamato is a relationship based on freedom. Doesn't work!!

Thirdly, Kaido still had Oden killed, didn't he? If he was there, he was there to fight WB. Kaido is not as honorable as people thinking of him.

Finally, if Shanks and Luffy fights, it will because of betrayal at an ideological level, not because of Ace. At this point, Luffy has accepted that Ace made his own choice. Luffy will fight Shanks if it appears that Shanks wanted Luffy to destroy the world by triggering One Piece.

BM and Kaido need AW to conquer the world (beat WG and other Yonko) and be PK.

It's not about beating marines but WG as whole, mostly crushing other Yonko for them to find OP and be PK.

Who says Kaido doesn't have affection for Yamato?