Questions & Mysteries Has Momonosuke become as durable as Kaido?

#21
Kaido was captured by the Marine most likely chained with Kairoseki which would nullify his DF abilities completely...

The DF is not everything that makes Kaido durable so Momo with it is not close at all.
Luffy still remains rubber whether he's submerged in Water, or chained in Seastone. It doesn't stop Luffy from being rubber, so what makes you think it stops Kaidos scales from keeping him durable?
 
#22
Luffy still remains rubber whether he's submerged in Water, or chained in Seastone. It doesn't stop Luffy from being rubber, so what makes you think it stops Kaidos scales from keeping him durable?
Zoan doesn't works like paramecia like luffy which is always active ; rob lucci can't have leopard like power in base he has to transform
 
#23
Zoan doesn't works like paramecia like luffy which is always active ; rob lucci can't have leopard like power in base he has to transform
Kaido is a mythical Zoan though, and can perform his abilities even in his base. Like how he lifted Onigashima with his fire in Human form.

Marco can use his healing abilities even in base.

So Mythical Zoans function differently.
 
#24
Kaido is a mythical Zoan though, and can perform his abilities even in his base. Like how he lifted Onigashima with his fire in Human form.

Marco can use his healing abilities even in base.

So Mythical Zoans function differently.
Flame clouds are not body transforming ability unlike scales

Same marco generates flames ; he can't heal in base without flames ; we don't see kaido using scales in base
 
#25
Flame clouds are not body transforming ability unlike scales

Same marco generates flames ; he can't heal in base without flames ; we don't see kaido using scales in base
I'm not sure what you are trying to say here. Are you saying, Kaido's scales only work when he's in Dragon form, and when he's not, it's a different type of durability?

That doesn't make any sense, because if that's the case, then he should be twice as durable in Dragon form, and even harder to damage, but from what we see, there is absolutely no difference in his durability from Human form, and Dragon form.
 
#26
I'm not sure what you are trying to say here. Are you saying, Kaido's scales only work when he's in Dragon form, and when he's not, it's a different type of durability?

That doesn't make any sense, because if that's the case, then he should be twice as durable in Dragon form, and even harder to damage, but from what we see, there is absolutely no difference in his durability from Human form, and Dragon form.
No what I am saying is his scales work when he is in hybrid and dragon form not base human form ; abilities like flame clouds have nothing to do with transformation

For example marco has to summon flames to heal ; he can't heal without that -- Similarly kaido has to be in hybrid or dragon form to use dura given by his fruit ; his base dura mostly comes form his race just like BM have innate dura
 
#27
Luffy still remains rubber whether he's submerged in Water, or chained in Seastone. It doesn't stop Luffy from being rubber, so what makes you think it stops Kaidos scales from keeping him durable?
It would be a good point but..
Luffy body is gum..
Not the same as
Kaido transforms into a dragon....

A zoan transformation can be stopped by the user if he/she wants.
Does Luffy able to stop his body being gum?

Marco Zoan properties are shut down when contact with Kairoseki for example.
Marco has mythical DF like Kaido so this is the best option to compare when it comes to what would happen.
 
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#29
No what I am saying is his scales work when he is in hybrid and dragon form not base human form ; abilities like flame clouds have nothing to do with transformation

For example marco has to summon flames to heal ; he can't heal without that -- Similarly kaido has to be in hybrid or dragon form to use dura given by his fruit ; his base dura mostly comes form his race just like BM have innate dura
That doesn't explain why his level of durability doesn't change at all when going from Human form to Dragon form. He has the same level of durability throughout all his forms.

If he is naturally durable like Big Mom, plus has Dragon scale durability, then he should be twice, if not more as durable in Dragon and Hybrid form, which he isn't.
 
#30
That doesn't explain why his level of durability doesn't change at all when going from Human form to Dragon form. He has the same level of durability throughout all his forms.

If he is naturally durable like Big Mom, plus has Dragon scale durability, then he should be twice, if not more as durable in Dragon and Hybrid form, which he isn't.
Bro then what is the use of hybrid form? Obvi his dura increases otherwise there is no need of to go in hybrid mode
 
#31
Bro then what is the use of hybrid form? Obvi his dura increases otherwise there is no need of to go in hybrid mode
His physical stats increase across the board in Hybrid mode. That's what we learned from the Lucci fight.

His durability however, remains constant. The Scabbards could cut Kaido in human form, and they could cut him in Dragon form. There was no difference between the two when it came to the Scabbards cutting him.
 
#32
His physical stats increase across the board in Hybrid mode. That's what we learned from the Lucci fight.

His durability however, remains constant. The Scabbards could cut Kaido in human form, and they could cut him in Dragon form. There was no difference between the two when it came to the Scabbards cutting him.
There seems to barely any increase in power ; only mobility increase because of his tails it seems

You seriously think Base Dura = Hybrid dura?
 
#33
There seems to barely any increase in power ; only mobility increase because of his tails it seems

You seriously think Base Dura = Hybrid dura?
There is nothing to indicate that his durability increases in Hybrid. This was proven by his encounter with both the Scabbards and Luffy. Both times he was shocked when they were able to damage him while he was in Human form. When they damaged him in Dragon form after that, he wasn't more shocked. There was no "How, I am even more durable now" moments, anywhere.
 
#34
There is nothing to indicate that his durability increases in Hybrid. This was proven by his encounter with both the Scabbards and Luffy. Both times he was shocked when they were able to damage him in Human form. When they damaged him in Dragon form after that, he wasn't more shocked. There was no "How, I am even more durable now" moments, anywhere.
Ok lets agree to disagree ; You are the first to say this , everyone knows hybrid is more dura than base though
 

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#36
I think some users tend to massively underrate Base Durability.

I mean just look at the likes of Base Luffy tanking Ragnarok like that.
 
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