Against Jubito, EMS Sasuke was enhanced by Jugo's cursed mark and fighting in a tag team with an enhanced BSM Naruto, and eventhen them a while to track him, and ultimately were still getting destroyed
I don't think EMS Madara/Hashirama are anywhere near Jubito level of speed
On the other hand, BM Minato and BSM Naruto also showed same level of reaction speed against Jubito
None is near Juubito level of speed. But I think the founders will hold out longer than Naruto/Sasuke against Juubito (and even Minato which was exploded in chapter 640).
More experience and also:
About Sasuke/Madara, it's implies the EMS version isn't at EMS Madara level (and even with Naruto/Hashirama I think). The way it seems, it's not by just being able to track Juubito down a little that he's going to outdo Madara.
EMS Sasuke could outmaneuver SM Madara
It doesn't prove he's better, it shows he's fighting very well against blind SM Madara.
And even if he is better, I don't know if SM blind Madara>EMS Madara. One Rinnegan Alive SM Madara yes but here....
And Tobirama already showed greater reaction speed than Hashirama against mindless Jubito. There is also a reason why Tobirama was known as the fastest of his era when Madara and Hashirama were alive, and we know for a fact he is slower than Minato. I think Hashirama's way to deal with Tobirama's speed was SM+large scale techniques, but not only Minato is faster than Tobirama in base, but BM would amplify his speed to much greater extent, with him also having the ability to temporarily boost himself with SM as well especially when it has been mentioned it's faster to gather natural energy in this state
The Hashirama blitzed was a clone (the original never fought Juubito, he was struggling with Madara). The Tobirama blitzed was a clone or the original ?
But I know overall Tobirama is faster than his brother and I think the same about Hashirama way to deal with Tobirama speed (Sennin Mode gives improved reflexes (just look Base Naruto and SM Naruto the big difference in power level) And it's Hashirama's last resort. He only uses it when Madara uses his Kyuubizord. SM+large scale techniques will low diff Tobirama).
Same with Base Minato, he is faster (and slighty stronger) than Tobirama but with Sennin Mode(+large scale techniques). Hashirama literraly low diff him too. It will be harder with BM Minato ofc but if he deploys all his power..
And about SM Minato, yeah it's a boost. But for Minato it is clearly stated that the SM is not his strong suit:
I don't expect any wonders on this side.
This could depend, because perfect Jin >> Bijus in terms of power because they know how to focus their power better than a mindless beats, although yes Juubi >> Kyubi. But considering Madara could break it, i don't think it's impossible for a controlled BM to do the same. I agree though that ultimately it's useless due to Minato's speed/FTG
Madara could broke this:
Only three toriis.
If Hashirama was full power (without black sticks in his back) like against Juubito:
I don't think BM Minato or Alive Madara will be able to escape at all. They are strong, but not at the Juubito brain off level (himself stronger than Hashirama).
And I just thought of it, but there's a way to trap Minato/
And during this time he can send scales techniques+clones while using Kajukai Kōrin. Double trap, perfect to create an opening to his big seals toriis.
Hashirama is too too versatile and all his techniques are strong af.
That's why he is the strongest before Juubito appears.
True that Hashirama faced 100% Kyubi there unlike Minato who only has half the power, but as mentioned before a perfect jinchuriki >> Biju when he is alone because the perfect jin can focus the beast power better than the beast and as a result his attacks are exponentially stronger, hence why 50% Naruto's TBB could match the combined effort of 5Bijus, with BM Minato able to do the same thing
100% Kyuubi wasn't alone since Madara give him an armor and fusionned him with his Perfect Susano. He made wild Kyuubi much stronger without being his Jin. Madara cheated, he's a fighting genius.
I think that 100% Kyuubizord>100%Kyuubi alone. I'm agree with 50% perfect Kyuubi>100% Kyuubi alone but nothing proves he is stronger than 100% Kyuubizord.
I think that's this thing:
That is cleary stronger than the 100%Kyuubizord fighting Shinsuusenju (50% perfect Kyuubizord with double SM).
And about 50% Naruto's TBB/50% Minato's TBB...yes they could match 5 Bijus (and 50% Kurama is still a far stronger Biju than the other ones).
To come back to Hashirama. Same, he can solo all the Bijus (he has mastered wild Juubi on his own). It's strongly implied since he can distribue them to others villages:
He made Bijus his pets.
And
And pay in mind that after this attack
Except Minato can also clone himself and has 50perfect Kyubi's chakra available and Shinsuusenju(Hashirama's strongest technique) was almost obliterated by PS+Kyubi combo, with a controlled Kyubi being inferior in power to a perfect Jin due to less power focus, so i don't think weaker techniques would matter all that much
IMO I think these BijuDamas combined to PS swords are stronger and (far) more efficient than simple TBB (even perfect Jin TBB) against Shinsuusenju.
We have seen that the golem can push back a BijuDama with his hand. Shinsuusenju has lots of hands, IMO he could push away all the BijuDamas. That's why Madara improved the BijuDama by combining them with Susano swords. These sharp BijuDama cannot be stopped by Shinsuusenju's hands.
I don't see Minato having the same power and efficiency to destroy Shinsuusenju's hands (even if he is a perfect Jinchuuriki).
And inside the barrier, the one in red circle is Perfect Susanoo Madara vs Hashirama's. The area of Jubito's barrier is much wider than Shinsuusenju, yet Minato could have his markings outside of that area, so should not be a problem for him to teleport outside of Shinsuusenju's area of effect
That's because Minato had marked out a lot of places before he came to the fight:
Here it is a neutral 1 vs 1 (so we assume that it will not be able to teleport to Konoha). After, if, during the fight, Minato manages to make distant markings for his FTG then there I could not say anything.
Hashirama was referring to the chakra Naruto shared, not all of Kyubi's chakra. BM Naruto has more chakra than Hashirama. I agree that BM Naruto has more chakra than BM Minato, but the gap is negligeable considering that Kyubi's chakra >>>>> Naruto's, so with the gap between Naruto and Minato's chakra impacting less in the overall account
Minato and Naruto united their own, and
Yin/Yang Kurama’s chakras together. After this, Hashirama stated the volume of chakra Naruto had was almost as much as his, then realized that what he was sensing included Kurama’s chakra too.
All Kyuubi chakra shared (Naruto+Minato's one)>Hashirama. Naruto vs Hashirama can be debatable (Both came from clans who were known to possess large chakra reserves but the Uzumakis had more in their reserves than the Senju. Both were Ashura's reincarnations so they both had further enhanced reserves of chakra.), but I'm sure Hashirama reserve>Minato's one (I have not yet seen a debate on who has the biggest reserve between Hashirama and BM Minato).
And I almost forgot, Full Biju Mode (their best weapon against Hashirama) have a time limit:
8 minutes...
With everything I've said, I don't see Minato holding up. Speed and being 50% Kyuubi perfect Jinchuuriki won't save him from all this.
I stay on Hashirama winning by mid diff is the most likely endgame to this fight (but with the debate I give up the idea that it could eventually low diff Minato. Yondaime have great assets (yes he also can uses kage bunshin, it's a trollish jutsu for someone that have FTG)). 66% chance of mid diff. 33% chance of high diff IMO.
Kyubi also grants it's jinchuriki the ability to heal without handseals
Agree.
