General & Others Have you noticed that we give certain concessions to some characters but not others? Now I want to defend Luffy.

[Daves John]

That’s cap he fought seriously enough to win right? Do you think Kizaru > Kaido?

Later, yes, but not all the time, especially at the start.

No, I think Luffy doesn't have a good control of his Awakened Zoan and needs to overcome that to fight efficently

 

[DonWick]

No. Tank was a special form he only needed against cracker. Restarting his heart which is something he needs against every top tiers to beat them. Idiotic comparison.

What’s idiotic is saying Luffy can’t do something that he has done in the manga unless he does it again.

 

[MonsterKaido]

What’s idiotic is saying Luffy can’t do something that he has done in the manga unless he does it again.

Not at all. If luffy did a very convenient ability when he just got the power up and never used it even though it puts his life in danger repeatedly , it simply means it was a one time thing.

 

[Ven437]

Cats here clown BM for “acting stupid” so why shouldn’t we do the same for Goofball?

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

Why is it every single time that Kizaru is on and he doesn’t perform the way that we anticipated him to, we by default say he wasn’t serious? People said it in Marinefored and in Egghead.

However when Luffy doesn’t stupid shit we never give the same concession. For example, in Egghead Luffy clearly wasn’t serious. Luffy literally grabbed Kizaru and threw him, that was stupid and Luffy never throws anyone really. That’s not serious Luffy. Luffy didn’t uses ACoC frequently , also not a serious Luffy.

We literally saw a serious Luffy the arc before vs. Kaido and people act like they forgot. We know what Luffy was capable of because he showed it in Wano and didn’t in Egghead.

I’m all for people taking shit about Luffy when he has situations like with Appo. However, the bias with this Kizaru scenario is getting out of hand and exposing the admiral and anti Luffy agenda (which is just the bitter Zoro fans).

cuz kizaru has cooler shades

 

[ZenZu]

We will see if restarts his heart in later fights. If not then it was simply a one time thing which he was able to do once.

It doesn't even matter if he does it later. We know at that moment he wasn't down by choice but out of necessity, if Luffy could he would love to get back up while his crew and bonney are in danger. Luffy's not one to care about trivial things.

It would just mean whenever he next restarts his heart he didn't reach the same limit he did on Egghead.

You can listen to Luffy himself. In Wano he didn't agree to being at his limit, in Egghead he straight up said he is at his limit.

 

[MonsterKaido]

It doesn't even matter if he does it later. We know at that moment he wasn't down by choice but out of necessity, if Luffy could he would love to get back up while his crew and bonney are in danger. Luffy's not one to care about trivial things.

It would just mean whenever he next restarts his heart he didn't reach the same limit he did on Egghead.

You can listen to Luffy himself. In Wano he didn't agree to being at his limit, in Egghead he straight up said he is at his limit.

Didn't knew making G5 luffy run makes him consume his stamina way more than in general combat

And imo what happened is that Kaido's attack was so strong that it made luffy go out of G5. Hence luffy was able to return to using G5.

 

[ZenZu]

Didn't knew making G5 luffy run makes him consume his stamina way more than in general combat

Well now you know lol. Whether we like it or not, that's the reality. Maybe since it was offpanel it was a longer duration of G5 than the Kaidou fight.

 

[Blax Blah]

Didn't knew making G5 luffy run makes him consume his stamina way more than in general combat

And imo what happened is that Kaido's attack was so strong that it made luffy go out of G5. Hence luffy was able to return to using G5.

Maybe so,

 

[MonsterKaido]

Well now you know lol. Whether we like it or not, that's the reality. Maybe since it was offpanel it was a longer duration of G5 than the Kaidou fight.

Actually Kaido's attack making G5 luffy go out of the form before his normal G5 time ran out makes way more sense. And even after beating lucci , he was still turning into old man. Same during gorosei fight. He needed giant food.

 

[ZenZu]

Actually Kaido's attack making G5 luffy go out of the form before his normal G5 time ran out makes way more sense.

Maybe, that could be one explanation though Luffy was also fighting an exhaustive battle before even going into G5, so he may also have been feeling fatigued despite not being in G5 state for that long.

And even after beating lucci , he was still turning into old man. Same during gorosei fight. He needed giant food.

Yea but none of those cases he was at his absolute limit. He very briefly fought Lucci and popped back into shape after some seconds of being in raisin state.

Dried up raisin state is an aftereffect of being in G5 state even briefly, but he pushed himself too far against Kizaru. Even the amount of food he ate was on another level. That's the way Oda decided he was going to keep Luffy down while Saturn comes in and the Kuma flashback occurs.

 

[DonWick]

Not at all. If luffy did a very convenient ability when he just got the power up and never used it even though it puts his life in danger repeatedly , it simply means it was a one time thing.

Did he do it though? That’s all that matters he’s already proved he can.

 

[Ven437]

Did he do it though? That’s all that matters he’s already proved he can.

Either he does it again without food recovery and after he passes out

Or it was pure plot armor. Same way Kidd and Law got up after being on the brink of death

 

[DonWick]

Either he does it again without food recovery and after he passes out

Or it was pure plot armor. Same way Kidd and Law got up after being on the brink of death

You can say that but he already did it so he doesn’t have to do it again to prove he can. Your criteria is null in this debate. Imagine me saying unless Zoro scars Kaido again he can’t do it. Do yall realize how dumb that sounds? If it’s been done once it can be done again.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Either he does it again without food recovery and after he passes out

Or it was pure plot armor. Same way Kidd and Law got up after being on the brink of death

I think it maybe something like a one time boost as he just awakened his DF. I hope it gets cleared out though.

 

[Ven437]

You can say that but he already did it so he doesn’t have to do it again to prove he can. Your criteria is null in this debate. Imagine me saying unless Zoro scars Kaido again he can’t do it. Do yall realize how dumb that sounds? If it’s been done once it can be done again.

Ok so he can do it after he eats a shit ton of food midway thru battle

Good to know Goofy + whole crew's worth of food is marginally stronger than 30% Kaido

 

[OPKnK]

He said I'm always serious/I always give it my all to Zoro and co before Kizaru even appears. It was either after the fight vs Lucci or the Seraphim

Even with him saying that in manga he did not show it .
Dude can do island size barrier to stop Kaido attack but could not even try it to stop topman with one.
But then again like i said egghead was shit show for fighting for everyone since Oda want to try and don't make anyone look to bad .
The fact that Saturn never did his hax in place move again says it all .

 

[NikaInParis]

Even with him saying that in manga he did not show it .

Hence my first comment talking about bipolar writing in this arc

 

[OPKnK]

Hence my first comment talking about bipolar writing in this arc

That is true , i really like OP but the fighting on egghead just had me so fucking annoyed .
Yes everything is plot base but fuck man don't make it that stupid lol .
Shit even some vivre info has me annoyed like garp having same power as when he used fight roger on beehive but 2 year ago in manga he say he can't throw cannon ball as fast because of old age .