Versus Battle Hisoka vs Doffy

Chrono

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Efege said:
This photons are his whole Body

The Databook also confirms that he fights at LS and the vivrecard tells us that only dudes with high level CoO can keep up with him.

You literally see how he turns into light.You still need to be as fast as Kizaru to cut him in his lightform.Logia´s are normal elements.

Heck,even Foxy´s beams are SoL.They are made out of photons and acting like photons
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Yes and thats why he was able to cut him. His body was still turning fully into photons and cut the beam. Literally feat will forever be hard to guage cause we dont know if he moved or not.

Where does the databook say that ?
Yes, and their is CoO like things in HxH, such as En or just natural sensing.

Maybe as fast as base Kizaru. But im not downplaying Ray's feat. He was still going fast to cut him. But not lightspeed or anywhere close to it.

Yes Foxy's beams are LS as it acts like the properties of light. However Kizaru's lazer are not as they are tangilble.
 
Dark Admiral

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why are people bringing in Kizaru here? Dude is literal light, of course he will be faster. Hisoka fought atleast 30+ suicidal people solely attacking him to break him while also doing his mind maths to how to overcome his main opponent while also predicting their future moves in advance for like 3-4 possible outcomes and you guys think yeah Parasite one-shots him. His brain is the most lethal mind in all of HxH verse. Surely he can outsmart someone who only sees Kaido's show and practices it at home.
 
Chrono

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Dark Admiral said:
Hisoka with high diff. Doffy has his parasite but with Gyo Hisoka can easily fend them and Hisoka also has his own version of Parasite - Bungee Gum, which has the property of both rubber and gum. lol. Haki can be matched with nen and speed wise both are pretty even. Hisoka can loose a limb or two and can have them replaced with his Rubber made prosthetic limbs. The blood lust on Hisoka is little too high than Mingo. He lives to fight strong opponents and seeks them out unlike Doffy who fears the very mention of Kaido.
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People really dont understand Hisoka. Once he gets the chance, hes cutting Doffy's head off. He aint like Luffy or Law...trading blows or what not. He always try to land the killing blow.

And as for speed, Doffy hasnt shown anything impressive tbh.

Hisoka's Bungee Gum is Doffy's strings on Steriods as well lmao. Unlike Parasite, Bungee Gum has no weaknesses shown as far. Once active, it will bind anyone because of ita stick nature. However Parasite can be broken with strength.

Hisoka has literally been in a predicament where he was caught and broke free with undoing Bungee Gum.








Hisoka always starts matchups with prep. He makes sure he has Bungee Gum stuck to somewhere whenever he needs to escape or break through a trap. And makes sure that he has Bungee Gum attached to the floor, so the other Bungee Gum doesnt retract him away.

So if Doffy ever caught him in Parasite, all Hisoka would have to do is undo Bungee Gum on his foot, and the other BG thats pulling on Hisoka will break him free at a high force.
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Dark Admiral said:
why are people bringing in Kizaru here? Dude is literal light, of course he will be faster. Hisoka fought atleast 30+ suicidal people solely attacking him to break him while also doing his mind maths to how to overcome his main opponent while also predicting their future moves in advance for like 3-4 possible outcomes and you guys think yeah Parasite one-shots him. His brain is the most lethal mind in all of HxH verse. Surely he can outsmart someone who only sees Kaido's show and practices it at home.
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No doubt Kizaru will be able to beat him. But they are using Kizaru's lazers as potrayal to show OP characters are way above. Which is bs because Kizaru's lazers arent even lightspeed.

Leave Kizaru for the Top Tiers of HxH. Not a High Tier like Hisoka.
 
Dark Admiral

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Chrono said:
People really dont understand Hisoka. Once he gets the chance, hes cutting Doffy's head off. He aint like Luffy or Law...trading blows or what not. He always try to land the killing blow.

And as for speed, Doffy hasnt shown anything impressive tbh.

Hisoka's Bungee Gum is Doffy's strings on Steriods as well lmao. Unlike Parasite, Bungee Gum has no weaknesses shown as far. Once active, it will bind anyone because of ita stick nature. However Parasite can be broken with strength.

Hisoka has literally been in a predicament where he was caught and broke free with undoing Bungee Gum.








Hisoka always starts matchups with prep. He makes sure he has Bungee Gum stuck to somewhere whenever he needs to escape or break through a trap. And makes sure that he has Bungee Gum attached to the floor, so the other Bungee Gum doesnt retract him away.

So if Doffy ever caught him in Parasite, all Hisoka would have to do is undo Bungee Gum on his foot, and the other BG thats pulling on Hisoka will break him free at a high force.
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No doubt Kizaru will be able to beat him. But they are using Kizaru's lazers as potrayal to show OP characters are way above. Which is bs because Kizaru's lazers arent even lightspeed.

Leave Kizaru for the Top Tiers of HxH. Not a High Tier like Hisoka.
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exactly, Hisoka has the ability to adapt and evolve during the battle. You can see in his each battle he mimics his opponents style and completely turns the tide around.
 
Chrono

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Dark Admiral said:
exactly, Hisoka has the ability to adapt and evolve during the battle. You can see in his each battle he mimics his opponents style and completely turns the tide around.
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Yes exactly, thats why Chrollo's best strategy to kill Hisoka was not to encounter him at all in CQC. Fight him long range with a bunch of explosive puppets is the best way.

The difference between HxH characters and OP characters. It the high endurance and pain tolerance that HxH characters possess. Like Hisoka's mind doesnt even take the time to worry about losing his limbs. If he loses his leg...then fine he will use his other leg.



He doesnt miss a beat in his thinking at all. And thats because he fights with absoloutely no fear. Just pure excitement.
 
Sentinel

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@Chrono

Why are you trying to debate against the light speed feats in OP? Only because the light in OP does not follow with certain rl physics, doesn't mean we cannot scale fictional light speed to rl light speed as well.

Would you use the same argument everything whenever there is a character who surpassed the speed of light? So Goku isn't faster than light because the light in DB isn't like the rl light? Or Saint Seiya characters? Or Toriko characters? Or Marvel characters?

Of course we have to use certain terms for crossover battles, otherwise you can likely throw all those battles in the trashcan since it wouldn't work that way you think of.
 
Steven

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A lot of Verses got huge upgrade,because several feats who had involved light were also accepted as these.The whole HST comes here in my mind
 
Chrono

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Sentinel said:
@Chrono

Why are you trying to debate against the light speed feats in OP? Only because the light in OP does not follow with certain rl physics, doesn't mean we cannot scale fictional light speed to rl light speed as well.

Would you use the same argument everything whenever there is a character who surpassed the speed of light? So Goku isn't faster than light because the light in DB isn't like the rl light? Or Saint Seiya characters? Or Toriko characters? Or Marvel characters?

Of course we have to use certain terms for crossover battles, otherwise you can likely throw all those battles in the trashcan since it wouldn't work that way you think of.
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I've already addressed this smh. Its widely accepted that if the physics of the fictional light powers were addressed to be lightspeed....then sure it is Lightspeed. However the lazers in OP are never addressed or said to being lightspeed. Their not at all. You cannot scale them at all to lightspeed lmao. How would you even do that lol.

Their are plenty of emission and transmuter attacks in HxH that have nen that looks like Light. However you dont see us saying that it moves at lightspeed. Just because its a light

Goku is stated to move at lightspeed....that is good enough. However when their speed isnt stated and they dont even function the same as they would in real life. Are we just gonna give it the benefit of the doubt and say its Light Speed.
 
FloriGlori

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The main difference being that HxH still somewhat works with actual physics, i.e. Togashi taking the time to explain the weight of a human head to justify it being used as a weapon vs. Chrollo. Sadly, Doffy parasites. Simple as that.
 
Steven

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Chrono said:
Yes and thats why he was able to cut him. His body was still turning fully into photons and cut the beam. Literally feat will forever be hard to guage cause we dont know if he moved or not.

Where does the databook say that ?
Yes, and their is CoO like things in HxH, such as En or just natural sensing.

Maybe as fast as base Kizaru. But im not downplaying Ray's feat. He was still going fast to cut him. But not lightspeed or anywhere close to it.

Yes Foxy's beams are LS as it acts like the properties of light. However Kizaru's lazer are not as they are tangilble.
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We clearly see that Kizaru moved,get over it.Ray physical moved with Rela+.Meanwhile,Meruem is low MHS

En?En is not even close as good as CoO,let alone FS

Also,Hisoka is just fucking townlevel while Doffy mountainlevel
 
Chrono

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FloriGlori said:
The main difference being that HxH still somewhat works with actual physics, i.e. Togashi taking the time to explain the weight of a human head to justify it being used as a weapon vs. Chrollo. Sadly, Doffy parasites. Simple as that.
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- Parasite can be broken with force
- Hisoka always starts matches with his Bungee Gum Stuck to another surface and also sticking his feet to the ground
- If he was caught in Parasite. He would just undo Bungee Gum on his foot and contract the Bungee Gum that is stuck to him from another surface.
- Contracting that Bungee Gum will give him enough force to break through. Especially if he was running prior




And Doffy normally Parasites when people are in some kind of movement.
 
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Chrono

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Efege said:
We clearly see that Kizaru moved,get over it.Ray physical moved with Rela+.Meanwhile,Meruem is low MHS

En?En is not even close as good as CoO,let alone FS

Also,Hisoka is just fucking townlevel while Doffy mountainlevel
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No we dont. You get over it. Yay more bs calcs.

CoO's inconsistent ass isnt nowhere as good as En



En may have smaller AoE, but is way more accurate.
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TheAncientCenturion said:
HxH is too weak (physically) and too slow of a verse to pressure Doflamingo.
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You've never read HxH. What do you know.
 
Chrono

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TheAncientCenturion said:
Is there anyone who is, physically, as fast or strong as G4 Luffy? No. So Doffy can manhandle everyone.
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How fast is G4 Luffy and how fast is Doffy ? We dont truly know how fast they are. Contray to popular belief....OP universe is pretty closed off in speed. You cannot calc their speeds because the matter in that universe doesnt abide by the usual law of physics. Oda is heavily inconsistent unlike Togashi who likes using actual logic. We can only take a OP speed feat at face value if it is said to be that speed. Other than that....nah.

So again we dont truly know how fast Doffy and G4 is. Maybe show us the sclaing of their speeds and show us how fast they were going.


In Hisoka's case. Hes had an array of different fight, suprisingly not much CQC fights. However he still defeated an opponent who was more phyically able than him with pure wits and traps he layed in the fights.







Most of Hisoka's speed feats arent in CQC fights. His best speed feats are dodging point blank explosions. And like I said Togashi's like being consistant woth real life, so that would Mach 3-8

I would say Doffy is more durable and physically stronger ( but dont really remember much of Doffy's physical strength feats) than Hisoka but Hisoka has higher endurance. Bungee Gum is also the better ablility. And in terms of speed, I would say theyre equal.

However Hisoka has shown better combat intelligence and wit. And can lay traps whilst in the middle of a fight. Which is extremely dangerous because his power is literally OP. If Bungee Gum lands on Doffy its game over. Because that shit it coming off. Hisoka can Bungee contract and smash him into the ground.
 
Chrono

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ZenZu said:
Equalize speed, restrict Doflamingo's devil fruit, his arms, his legs. And he still low diffs. He can just harden his dick and beat Hisoka down with that if he needs to, this is how much of a mismatch you created for poor ol Hisoka.
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Lmao nah. Can I have actual arguments tho please.
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Hisoka's speed is honestly highly underrated. Yes his base speed isnt that much impressive. However he has high reactions speed and his Bungee Gum is what makes him truly fast.


Hisoka is shown to always throw Bungee Gum connected to his cards.





So when he wants to move fast he contracts the Bungee Gum attached to the cards, and they reel him in. To the point he moves so fast that a Nen Veteran like Gotoh cant keep up with him




So just like Doffy with his strings, Bungee Gum applifies his speed a lot. And another advantage of Bungee Gum. Is that Hisoka would just need to think to activate it. He doesnt need to do any hand motions or what not.




Casually dodging actually Mach 3-8 speeds.
 
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