General & Others Hot take: If it's necessary to point out that being a Marine has inherent wrongness, then it's also necessary for pirates too, united or not.

[Electricmastro]

There's this notion I've seen go around that because pirates aren't united under a single organization like the Marines, that it's therefore likely for pirates to have much more goodness to them since pirates don't operate under a single destructive slave-owning genocidal system. As if being non-united has inherently much more good and that piracy being fundamentally and historically rooted in stealing at the cost of attacking others and spilling the blood of innocent lives is worth overlooking since "each and every pirate doesn't share the same level of guilt like the Marines do."

As well as the idea that even "actively do-gooder" Marines like Garp, Smoker, Tashigi, Koby, Bell-Mere, Rosinante, Sengoku, and Drake all shared the same gilded layers of guilt on top of them regardless of what each of the good things each of them had done differently as the different people they are from each other otherwise, simply because they ultimately serve World Government individuals like Im even if they're ignorant of that.

It's not necessarily about the "completely good or completely bad" or even the million shades of gray arguments either, because it really becomes about "united vs. non-united" at that point, and how even having the freedom to commit piracy on anyone you want whenever you want can still place pirates into a collective term rooted in guilt even if they aren't part of the same sign-up sheet.

 

[Herrera95]

Never saw anyone saying anything about that.

 

[NAMELESS]

There's this notion I've seen go around that because pirates aren't united under a single organization like the Marines, that it's therefore likely for pirates to have much more goodness to them since pirates don't operate under a single destructive slave-owning genocidal system. As if being non-united has inherently much more good and that piracy being fundamentally and historically rooted in stealing at the cost of attacking others and spilling the blood of innocent lives is worth overlooking since "each and every pirate doesn't share the same level of guilt like the Marines do."

As well as the idea that even "actively do-gooder" Marines like Garp, Smoker, Tashigi, Koby, Bell-Mere, Rosinante, Sengoku, and Drake all shared the same gilded layers of guilt on top of them regardless of what each of the good things each of them had done differently as the different people they are from each other otherwise, simply because they ultimately serve World Government individuals like Im even if they're ignorant of that.

It's not necessarily about the "completely good or completely bad" or even the million shades of gray arguments either, because it really becomes about "united vs. non-united" at that point, and how even having the freedom to commit piracy on anyone you want whenever you want can still place pirates into a collective term rooted in guilt even if they aren't part of the same sign-up sheet.

Marines and Pirates ae bad,but what about Revolutionaries?in theory they are freedom fighters.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

There are good and bad marines, just like how there are bad and good pirates.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Hold on…is this a thread about how…pirates are…bad?? Tell me we’re not at the point where we’re debating the morality of actual piracy, something we all know to be empirically shady and underhanded by nature, we can’t be THAT hard up for topics to discuss…

 

[Finalbeta]

 

[RedditorsAreBitchmade]

Bro are you seriously that dumb or is this a troll post? Your point is what?That being a pirate is generally considered bad? And the sky is blue.

The difference is that if you're a marine youre working for a corrupt,slave owning,country burning organization KNOWINGLY,which inherently makes you a piece of shit unless youre someone like cony who aims to change that. When being a pirate you can be a good person(like the straw hats) cause there's literally nothing inherently wrong with being one,since you dont support or work for the actually bad pirates

 

[Eustass]

There's this notion I've seen go around that because pirates aren't united under a single organization like the Marines, that it's therefore likely for pirates to have much more goodness to them since pirates don't operate under a single destructive slave-owning genocidal system. As if being non-united has inherently much more good and that piracy being fundamentally and historically rooted in stealing at the cost of attacking others and spilling the blood of innocent lives is worth overlooking since "each and every pirate doesn't share the same level of guilt like the Marines do."

As well as the idea that even "actively do-gooder" Marines like Garp, Smoker, Tashigi, Koby, Bell-Mere, Rosinante, Sengoku, and Drake all shared the same gilded layers of guilt on top of them regardless of what each of the good things each of them had done differently as the different people they are from each other otherwise, simply because they ultimately serve World Government individuals like Im even if they're ignorant of that.

It's not necessarily about the "completely good or completely bad" or even the million shades of gray arguments either, because it really becomes about "united vs. non-united" at that point, and how even having the freedom to commit piracy on anyone you want whenever you want can still place pirates into a collective term rooted in guilt even if they aren't part of the same sign-up sheet.

The problem with this is that pirates are individuals and can't be responsibilized by the actions of others while Marines are all following the orders of the same men. Thus, just by being a marine you are somewhat responsible for its own power while a pirate is only responsible by its own actions. Pirates like Luffy are considered evil in the eyes of the marines because they go against the World Government's rule over the world and not because Luffy is dangerous to civilians.

Good Matrix quote that adds to this moral discussion about the one piece world lol